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Sam Lloyd

Love this lad. Seriously good footballer.

The scrapping of the sub rule may just be the making of him.

Forces our defensive coaches hand.
 
Leysy Days said:
Love this lad. Seriously good footballer.

The scrapping of the sub rule may just be the making of him.

Forces our defensive coaches hand.

He needs to feel like belongs, it feels like he is still scared to play his natural game
 
Leysy Days said:
Love this lad. Seriously good footballer.

The scrapping of the sub rule may just be the making of him.

Forces our defensive coaches hand.

Heard from a really good source that Lloyd has been grounded and told not to fly for marks. But he has a seriously good leap. Can hang.

Has a roll to play. So smart inside 50, so composed when he has the ball and always knows where the goals are.

And imagine the flack if Cotch missed that tackle. Captain should’ve made it stick.
 
Still not sure how much of a fan Hardwick is of players with "natural flair" ... it would be unfortunate if I were to be sort of accurate as the list does have a number of players who could, if given licence to unleash their instinctive flair, really have an impact on opposition teams and change the way the Tigers play the game ... but what would I know???
 
Leysy Days said:
Love this lad. Seriously good footballer.

The scrapping of the sub rule may just be the making of him.

Forces our defensive coaches hand.

I agree on the sub rule. There are generally 2 concerns most have with Lloyd. 1 - Doesn't get involved enough and 2 - Defensive pressure.

I think the first is a bit of a fallacy due to the number of times he has been sub. I had a quick look at his stats for the last 2 years and pro-rated them to an 85% TOG % (in the 5 games he played the full game last year he averaged 88% and had 87% on Thursday).

In terms of disposal he would have averaged 13.2 in 2014 and 16.2 last year. He got 14 on Thursday. I think thats perfectly fine for the role that he plays. For comparison, Ballantyne averages 13, Jeff Garlett 11, Betts 12 (last 2 years 13-14), so he gets involved enough.

His goals have not been bad either, again pro-rata up he averaged 1.2 goals per game in 2014, 1.6 last year which is again right up there for me.

The area that he struggles is tackling, last year he went backwards (actually would have averaged 3.6 in 2014) to only 2.6 which is well below those other guys. He had 3 on Thursday so if he can keep that up then he can certainly be a big weapon for us this year and could certainly score 30-35 if he plays all year for us.
 
mrposhman said:
I agree on the sub rule. There are generally 2 concerns most have with Lloyd. 1 - Doesn't get involved enough and 2 - Defensive pressure.

I think the first is a bit of a fallacy due to the number of times he has been sub. I had a quick look at his stats for the last 2 years and pro-rated them to an 85% TOG % (in the 5 games he played the full game last year he averaged 88% and had 87% on Thursday).

In terms of disposal he would have averaged 13.2 in 2014 and 16.2 last year. He got 14 on Thursday. I think thats perfectly fine for the role that he plays. For comparison, Ballantyne averages 13, Jeff Garlett 11, Betts 12 (last 2 years 13-14), so he gets involved enough.

His goals have not been bad either, again pro-rata up he averaged 1.2 goals per game in 2014, 1.6 last year which is again right up there for me.

The area that he struggles is tackling, last year he went backwards (actually would have averaged 3.6 in 2014) to only 2.6 which is well below those other guys. He had 3 on Thursday so if he can keep that up then he can certainly be a big weapon for us this year and could certainly score 30-35 if he plays all year for us.

Good summation there.
Really hope Lloyd is given a good crack at cementing a possie in the team ... and that he firmly grasps the opportunity with both hands. Believe he has got more to show as his confidence grows.
 
LLoyd is a natural footballer.
At times - like Rd 1 - he can be a match winner.
But we have to put up with some ordinary efforts in between match wnning efforts.
IMO he's a lot like Mark LecCras.
 
Body shape is looking more like an AFL footballer then a country full forward....hopefully after his 3rd pre season he can be a 40 goal player
 
I reckon the only joy Dees supporters had in the last couple of years was going to a game and seeing Howe take Mark of the Year every week - let the boy fly!
 
If he plays the entire season, what goal tally would be considered a pass by people on here? 30?
 
Rancey18 said:
If he plays the entire season, what goal tally would be considered a pass by people on here? 30?

I reckon look at it on a goals / game basis. Minimum needs to be 1.5 goals per game IMO. So if he plays 22 H&A games then 33 would be a pass mark for me.
 
Rancey18 said:
If he plays the entire season, what goal tally would be considered a pass by people on here? 30?

40 for me. That's not quite 2 a game, for a guy who's a specialist forward and very, very unlikely to spend any significant time in the midfield.

Although, based on his talents, he's probably only got to touch the ball 110 times for this to happen.
 
The_General said:
40 for me. That's not quite 2 a game, for a guy who's a specialist forward and very, very unlikely to spend any significant time in the midfield.

Although, based on his talents, he's probably only got to touch the ball 110 times for this to happen.

Yeh, 40 about the mark.
 
antman said:
40 would be great but that's a big ask. I'd take 30.
I'd take 30 as well. The reason I think he was made sub so often was because it often seemed to all or nothing with him. He may kick 2 or 3 goals quickly, but he may also go a lot of the game and hardly see the ball. That's how sides used the sub rule, they wanted someone who could come on and make something happen. Lloyd failed to do that in his final 2 games of 2015 and was subsequently dropped. Thursday night was the best game I've seen from him, not because of the goals, but because he genuinely tried to get involved and get the ball or create for a team mate when it wasn't going his way. If he can keep doing that then he should keep getting a game and will hit that 30 goal a season mark.
 
True CTT. At the ground I thought he hadn't done much for the first three quarters but watching the replay I was surprised how much he was involved and linked up.

Seems to specialise in last quarter goals too - perhaps when the defence has fatigued a bit he tends to cut loose. Handy.
 
antman said:
True CTT. At the ground I thought he hadn't done much for the first three quarters but watching the replay I was surprised how much he was involved and linked up.

Seems to specialise in last quarter goals too - perhaps when the defence has fatigued a bit he tends to cut loose. Handy.
I think the last quarter goals thing may have been as a consequence of being played as the sub. When he gets them they seem to come in multiples in a very short space of time. The 3 goals he kicked against Collingwood late last year I think were all kicked in the 1st quarter.
 
Love that he's 2 footed as well. Being able to snap goals off either foot makes him a very dangerous proposition for defenders. a lot players can be turned through defensive pressure on to their unfavoured foot and they stuff it up, Lloyd doesn't do that. The 3 kicks at goal he had in the final quarter (the 2 goals and the left foot snap that was marked on the line but was probably going for a behind anyway) were all on the left.