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Round 1 (2022) - other games

Tell me I didnt dream we won the premiership?

if it was a long dream,

only 1 side who wasn't the best has won the flag in the last 10 years. 2018

The Dogs won in 2016 and in no way were they the best team all season. Still no-one remembers who topped the ladder much but you do remember who won the flag.
 
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Exactly, he has a source in the club, he uses it, that's his job. His story was right.

Bevo, tighten up the ship mate - that's on you and the club if someone is leaking. Bevo can stand up for his club but he overplayed his hand, telling Morris to get out and then having to skulk out himself. A bluff that failed. Now that was embarrassing.
Yeah the more I think about it the more I believe Bevo came off looking like a goose last night. He basically claimed that as Morris is a Melbourne supporter he was deliberately trying to undermine the Bulldogs. That is laughable; name one AFL journalist who doesn't support a particular team. That was an amateurish schoolyard retort from Bevo.

I have no interest in defending Morris; don't like him much myself. But Bevo lost the plot last night. As Jazz said I reckon he's trying to deflect attention and blame from issues inside the club.
 
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Yeah, don't really agree.

In 2017 we smacked the best team going around by 40 odd points in the Grand Final. Everyone thought Adelaide would win the GF, and it wasn't that Adelaide had a bad day, we were just better. And, that was after we won our other 2 finals with withering blows to bury Geelong and GWS, who were both damned good football teams. Richmond were the best team in 2017 in the finals, and that's what matters.

The response?

Worst team to win a flag. Without our 4 stars we would be useless (yeah, take 4 players of the calibre of Martin, Cotchin, Rance and Reiwoldt out of any team and see how they go). They will not win another etc.

Demonstrates totally my point - one guy said that, Grant Thomas I think? The absolute hysteria, meltdowns and fixation on what other people say or don't say about us is one of the longest running jokes in PRE as far as I'm concerned.

I live my life not really giving a crap about what other people think or say about me, and I'm pretty glad our club doesn't really seem to care either. Over-sensitive fans though? We have plenty of those.
 
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Demonstrates totally my point - one guy said that, Grant Thomas I think? The absolute hysteria, meltdowns and fixation on what other people say or don't say about us is one of the longest running jokes in PRE as far as I'm concerned.

I live my life not really giving a crap about what other people think or say about me, and I'm pretty glad our club doesn't really seem to care either. Over-sensitive fans though? We have plenty of those.
The Club cares.

'Don't write us off' Jack Riewoldt

'Criticism of our Captain has been unfair' (pre '17) Damien Hardwick

'People who criticise Tom Lynch do not understand his role' Damien Hardwick

etc etc etc
 
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Demonstrates totally my point - one guy said that, Grant Thomas I think? The absolute hysteria, meltdowns and fixation on what other people say or don't say about us is one of the longest running jokes in PRE as far as I'm concerned.

I live my life not really giving a crap about what other people think or say about me, and I'm pretty glad our club doesn't really seem to care either. Over-sensitive fans though? We have plenty of those.

Parallel but slightly different points I think.

I would say we didn't get enough respect after winning 2017, but I would also say I really don't care that much.

Still, provides an opportunity to throw some mud back at the AFL media, considering they are a massive mud chucking machine, not to mention a bunch of obsequious suckholes, I'm not one to let the opportunity pass.

DS
 
Yeah I don't know ezy. Morris is a germ but its his job to report on AFL news. I'm not sure why, if he has cultivated a source at the Bulldogs, he would not report the information provided by the source. There are clearly issues at the Dogs; the main one seems to be a person in the inner sanctum who dislikes Bevo and is trying to white ant him.

Yeah what did Morris actually do that was so wrong? Is it only the fact that he didn't get a comment from Beveridge?
 
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Test of the AFL here. I dont like Tom Morris and I sort of admire Bevo’s guts, but he delivered it all wrong and went too far.

Heart of hearts says he needs a suspension, not just a fine.
my guess is the AFL go with a suspended suspension. Send a message that the next one will be a serious whack.
A typical fence-straddling move by the honchos
 
Yeah the more I think about it the more I believe Bevo came off looking like a goose last night. He basically claimed that as Morris is a Melbourne supporter he was deliberately trying to undermine the Bulldogs. That is laughable; name one AFL journalist who doesn't support a particular team. That was an amateurish schoolyard retort from Bevo.

I have no interest in defending Morris; don't like him much myself. But Bevo lost the plot last night. As Jazz said I reckon he's trying to deflect attention and blame from issues inside the club.

I don't know why any coach would think they're entitled to expect objectivity from a representative of an AFL-endorsed media. It's a socialist media, for lack of a better term. The basic idea of even thinking to argue about their objectivity publicly is a poor look for any coach.

As for diverting attention away from a loss, I just see it as a sign of weakness. To me, it's an attempt at public perception manipulation that exposes a coach's lack of confidence in his team, as he thinks he needs to adopt underhanded tactics to give his club a leg up, which implies deep down he thinks they're not good enough to succeed without some form of a leg up. Thankfully, it's never been a trend in Dimma's coaching game.
 
Grant Thomas said the worse team to win a flag thing didn't he? Not sure I'd lose sleep about that.

To me the big difference between us and Melbourne is we weren't the best team in the competition in 2017, we were the best in September. We were the best in 2018 and failed in September.

Melbourne were the best at both in 2021 so naturally a different response. I feel like it took us until 2019 to really be seen as a quality team which was probably fair enough.
That Grant Thomas quote gets trotted out but you needed to hear it in context. He was full of praise for the RFC and said the team and club should be what others, especially the Saints aspire to be. It was quite a complimentary spiel.
 
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Parallel but slightly different points I think.

I would say we didn't get enough respect after winning 2017, but I would also say I really don't care that much.

Yes, which is the best attitude to have.

But if you really don't care you don't need to throw mud back right?
 
The Dogs won in 2016 and in no way were they the best team all season. Still no-one remembers who topped the ladder much but you do remember who won the flag.

im not sure I buy the best all season thing.

the premier is the side who is better than half the competition for 5 months,

and then better than everyone left for 1 month, at the finish line.

I get the best all season idea, and I think I used to buy it.

but I dont think I do anymore.

Verry Elegant wasn't the best horse for all 3200m in the Melbourne Cup,

but she was vastly superior for the last quarter of the race.

I think putting yourself in contention for the flag in August, then being able to build momentum towards the finish line,

makes you the best*

*except WC 2018, who won when the best was knobbled.
 
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Yeah what did Morris actually do that was so wrong? Is it only the fact that he didn't get a comment from Beveridge?

He reported inside info on team news that proved to be correct. Bevo seemed to say this was just a continuation of Morris using this inside info for a few months now.... I still don't see the problem, if a journo has an inside source they will use it.

As for the journo being a Melbourne supporter, big deal. That was particularly weak of Bevo to make a big deal over that.
 
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im not sure I buy the best all season thing.

the premier is the side who is better than half the competition for 5 months,

and then better than everyone left for 1 month, at the finish line.

I get the best all season idea, and I think I used to buy it.

but I dont think I do anymore.

Verry Elegant wasn't the best horse for all 3200m in the Melbourne Cup,

but she was vastly superior for the last quarter of the race.

I think putting yourself in contention for the flag in August, then being able to build momentum towards the finish line,

makes you the best*

*except WC 2018, who won when the best was knobbled.

End of the day, the team that wins the Granny is the team that gets the glory. You are right though.. we topped the ladder 2018 but were just scraping wins at the end, clearly out of steam and then the Pies got us in the Prelim or whatever it was.
 
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Yeah I don't know ezy. Morris is a germ but its his job to report on AFL news. I'm not sure why, if he has cultivated a source at the Bulldogs, he would not report the information provided by the source. There are clearly issues at the Dogs; the main one seems to be a person in the inner sanctum who dislikes Bevo and is trying to white ant him.

I thin we need context,

and I'm taking Bevos reaction as a pointer that the context is grubby.

For example, the leak could have staggered pissed out of a nightclub, and rapidfired the inside info off the record after Morris racked up 5 lines of coke for him on the bonnet of his Landrover?
 
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The Club cares.

'Don't write us off' Jack Riewoldt

'Criticism of our Captain has been unfair' (pre '17) Damien Hardwick

'People who criticise Tom Lynch do not understand his role' Damien Hardwick

etc etc etc

damn weak oversensitive club then :ROFLMAO:

Fair point though TS, at times the club does come out and "correct" things they don't like in the media.
 
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As for the journo being a Melbourne supporter, big deal. That was particularly weak of Bevo to make a big deal over that.

I think that adds context too,

because Melbourne Supporters are all irrelevant Hooray Henry, landrover driving, fair weather suckholes

there is also the notion of subterfuge, gambling and inside trading to be considered
 
Robbo: Can Dusty get to Christian Petracca’s level?

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17 March 2022

Right now, Petracca is the clubhouse leader.
Woah, just had my mind blown by this line. The significance has me awestruck.

Can imagine watching the golf at Augusta. The commentator is at the first green in the first round watching the first group. The player sinks the putt for a birdie and takes the lead. In a hushed and reverent tone the commentator announces "There's our clubhouse leader." :ROFLMAO:

You can't teach journo's this level of wordsmithery. You are either born with it or you're not.
 
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I thin we need context,

and I'm taking Bevos reaction as a pointer that the context is grubby.

For example, the leak could have staggered pissed out of a nightclub, and rapidfired the inside info off the record after Morris racked up 5 lines of coke for him on the bonnet of his Landrover?
But what if the context is just that someone in Bevo's inner sanctum doesn't like him and is white anting him by continually leaking to a journo, in this case Tom Morris? Why wouldn't Morris report what he's being told. And it's only about team selection; not exactly the sort of stuff that will bring the club to its knees.

Bevo went off tap last night and looked a goose in doing so. On face value you can only think that he's trying to compensate for and deflect from shortcomings in his organisation.
 
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