Richmond 2017 AFL Premiers

[easy_tiger]

I see my purchase as an investment

I'll tell mrs,easy they are part of our self-managed super portfolio.

Thats what I tell her im working on every saturday afternoon, so she shouldnt be surprised

 

[Mr Brightside]

I'll tell mrs,easy they are part of our self-managed super portfolio.

Thats what I tell her im working on every saturday afternoon, so she shouldnt be surprised

Buy buy buy

 

[bowden4president]

anyone else snap up a pair of premiership Puma suedes?

I couldnt type my credit card numbers in fast enough. ;D

Hell yeah I did! I've been looking at buying a pair of black n yellow puma suedes for a while. But Richmond premiership edition had me sold within seconds

 

[caesar]

Watched the Comm Games medal presentation for the men's Triathlon today on TV, i was proud to see, front and centre in the stands behind the presentation, a bloke wearing his Tiger's Premiers "T". Coming in a close 2nd in my pride stakes was the Aussie who actually won a silver medal ;D

 

[Tenacious]

Watched the Comm Games medal presentation for the men's Triathlon today on TV, i was proud to see, front and centre in the stands behind the presentation, a bloke wearing his Tiger's Premiers "T". Coming in a close 2nd in my pride stakes was the Aussie who actually won a silver medal ;D

When you say silver medalist I assume you mean someone wearing a Crows "T"

 

[Tigerfan]

When you say silver medalist I assume you mean someone wearing a Crows "T"

Yeah Adelaide came 2nd in the GF.

 

[seven]

Yeah Adelaide came 2nd in the GF.

And their supporters took it on the chin.

 

[tbartiger]

anyone else snap up a pair of premiership Puma suedes?

I couldnt type my credit card numbers in fast enough. ;D

How good are these? I got two pairs, one to wear and one to keep in mint condition. Yeah that pleased Mrs Tbar

 

[Fighting Fury]

anyone else snap up a pair of premiership Puma suedes?

I couldnt type my credit card numbers in fast enough. ;D

Damn straight, I did. Within minutes of the email hitting the inbox.

 

[Mac]

Bump.

Time for a childish and belated rant from hearing some SEN bs this week...

It’s a pity this isn’t an afl wide thread just to keep reminding the haters that Richmond, yes Richmond are the premiers.

Point in case. It’s been a national comp for some time now. Now and then interstate finals get discussed, but it’s always the majority sentiment that the G is the home of football and the GF should always be there.

GFs with interstate vs Vic club history:
Hawks beat Eagles. No one is bothered. Hawks dynasty was ending but they are anointed the best team. Great. Move on.
Eagle beat Cats because they’re good enough.
Crows play out of their skins and win back to back against saints and Roos. They’re good enough so they won.
Lions were good enough to win against the highly fancied bombers. No problem with any perceived home ground advantage. The team to stop the 3 peat lions? The out of town power.
Eagles v swans. Whatever. The best team wins.
Cats SMASH power. They’re the greatest team in the universe! No one blinks.
Hawks beat swans. Swans beat hawks. Whatever. The best team on the days won.
Hawks beat freo, swans and eagles for a 3 peat. Wow, ‘what a team the hawks are’ everyone declares! Does anyone care less that they had the home ground advantage over 3 interstate teams in a row? Of course not. Hawks are the best, so there. The interstate teams have to learn to play away and besides, they get disproportionate home ground advantage all year to get them there in the first place so it evens out.

But now. Now Richmond dare win and upset all the haters. Well! We’ve really got to do something people! So unfair ‘the best team all year’ (pffft!) weren’t further pampered with a home GF on a terrible and narrow ground. Oh boo hoo.
Dunces the likes of Mike Sheehan - who was always a dunce and now is just an old dunce, but because he’s old everyone thinks he’s some sort of doyen ( : - and Gaddy Loin start spouting rubbish that things are ‘inevitable’, like:
- Interstate GFs for the ‘best team’.
- Best of three GF! Can you beleive it? Best of three! Obviously because it would have been a lot fairer to give the crows another shot at it when they got smashed because these expert’s tiny brains just can’t reconcile with the fact WE WON!
The thinking that the crows should have been given more chance to win bs. They had the same chance as us. We were better. Just like the bulldogs beating the swans.

Haters gonna hate.

Go tigers!

 

[IanG]

The 3 match series has me buggered, what are they going to play it over 3 weeks? And the GF can best be compared with the superbowl is the superbowl played over multiple weeks? No.

 

[23.21.159]

Bump.

Time for a childish and belated rant from hearing some SEN bs this week...

It’s a pity this isn’t an afl wide thread just to keep reminding the haters that Richmond, yes Richmond are the premiers.

Point in case. It’s been a national comp for some time now. Now and then interstate finals get discussed, but it’s always the majority sentiment that the G is the home of football and the GF should always be there.

GFs with interstate vs Vic club history:
Hawks beat Eagles. No one is bothered. Hawks dynasty was ending but they are anointed the best team. Great. Move on.
Eagle beat Cats because they’re good enough.
Crows play out of their skins and win back to back against saints and Roos. They’re good enough so they won.
Lions were good enough to win against the highly fancied bombers. No problem with any perceived home ground advantage. The team to stop the 3 peat lions? The out of town power.
Eagles v swans. Whatever. The best team wins.
Cats SMASH power. They’re the greatest team in the universe! No one blinks.
Hawks beat swans. Swans beat hawks. Whatever. The best team on the days won.
Hawks beat freo, swans and eagles for a 3 peat. Wow, ‘what a team the hawks are’ everyone declares! Does anyone care less that they had the home ground advantage over 3 interstate teams in a row? Of course not. Hawks are the best, so there. The interstate teams have to learn to play away and besides, they get disproportionate home ground advantage all year to get them there in the first place so it evens out.

But now. Now Richmond dare win and upset all the haters. Well! We’ve really got to do something people! So unfair ‘the best team all year’ (pffft!) weren’t further pampered with a home GF on a terrible and narrow ground. Oh boo hoo.
Dunces the likes of Mike Sheehan - who was always a dunce and now is just an old dunce, but because he’s old everyone thinks he’s some sort of doyen ( : - and Gaddy Loin start spouting rubbish that things are ‘inevitable’, like:
- Interstate GFs for the ‘best team’.
- Best of three GF! Can you beleive it? Best of three! Obviously because it would have been a lot fairer to give the crows another shot at it when they got smashed because these expert’s tiny brains just can’t reconcile with the fact WE WON!
The thinking that the crows should have been given more chance to win bs. They had the same chance as us. We were better. Just like the bulldogs beating the swans.

Haters gonna hate.

Go tigers!

Good post, most of which I agree with.
Bottom line is there have been 16 Grand Finals between a Victorian and a non-Victorian team and the score is 8-8.
I would say that is a statistically significant indication that there is no impact.

"they get disproportionate home ground advantage all year to get them there in the first place so it evens out"
Not sure I agree with that.
Typically, a non-Victorian team get 10 home games against interstate opposition, 2 "home" games against a team that hasn't travelled, and 10 games where they travel interstate.
Victorian teams get 5 or 6 home games against interstate opposition, about 11 games in Victoria against another Victorian team, and 5 or 6 where they travel interstate.
Pretty much every team plays the same amount of home games against interstate opposition as they do interstate. The neutral ones cancel each other out.
Reckon it all gets evened out but the simple amount of travel the non-Victorian sides do must be more of a burden.

The Grand Final is the only final which doesn't get played at a venue according to the higher team getting the home ground advantage - so they do have an argument.
But it can be less than obvious who the "higher" team is by the time you get to the Grand Final.
Example, if Geelong had beaten Adelaide in their Preliminary Final last year, who would have been ranked higher out of Geelong and Richmond?
Geelong because they finished higher than Richmond, or Richmond because they won the Qualifying Final and got the week's break?
(Yes, I know they are both Victorian teams but it's an example, what if one of them wasn't?).

What they could consider is this:
If the Grand Final is between two Victorian teams or two non-Victorian teams, then it's one game at the G.
Otherwise, play it as two games, one in each state. If the games are split it goes on total scores (or best percentage win).
But then you might have the extreme anti-climax of a team losing the last game of the year but being awarded the premiership (a-la 1924 which was apparently not a popular option).

My take: leave it as it is.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Bump.

Time for a childish and belated rant from hearing some SEN bs this week...

It’s a pity this isn’t an afl wide thread just to keep reminding the haters that Richmond, yes Richmond are the premiers.

Point in case. It’s been a national comp for some time now. Now and then interstate finals get discussed, but it’s always the majority sentiment that the G is the home of football and the GF should always be there.

GFs with interstate vs Vic club history:
Hawks beat Eagles. No one is bothered. Hawks dynasty was ending but they are anointed the best team. Great. Move on.
Eagle beat Cats because they’re good enough.
Crows play out of their skins and win back to back against saints and Roos. They’re good enough so they won.
Lions were good enough to win against the highly fancied bombers. No problem with any perceived home ground advantage. The team to stop the 3 peat lions? The out of town power.
Eagles v swans. Whatever. The best team wins.
Cats SMASH power. They’re the greatest team in the universe! No one blinks.
Hawks beat swans. Swans beat hawks. Whatever. The best team on the days won.
Hawks beat freo, swans and eagles for a 3 peat. Wow, ‘what a team the hawks are’ everyone declares! Does anyone care less that they had the home ground advantage over 3 interstate teams in a row? Of course not. Hawks are the best, so there. The interstate teams have to learn to play away and besides, they get disproportionate home ground advantage all year to get them there in the first place so it evens out.

But now. Now Richmond dare win and upset all the haters. Well! We’ve really got to do something people! So unfair ‘the best team all year’ (pffft!) weren’t further pampered with a home GF on a terrible and narrow ground. Oh boo hoo.
Dunces the likes of Mike Sheehan - who was always a dunce and now is just an old dunce, but because he’s old everyone thinks he’s some sort of doyen ( : - and Gaddy Loin start spouting rubbish that things are ‘inevitable’, like:
- Interstate GFs for the ‘best team’.
- Best of three GF! Can you beleive it? Best of three! Obviously because it would have been a lot fairer to give the crows another shot at it when they got smashed because these expert’s tiny brains just can’t reconcile with the fact WE WON!
The thinking that the crows should have been given more chance to win bs. They had the same chance as us. We were better. Just like the bulldogs beating the swans.

Haters gonna hate.

Go tigers!

Heard that crap from Sheahan on Friday. I think the old bloke got a bit confused and thought it was April 1, not April 6. My response to all this Adelaide was the best team of the 2017 h&a season stuff, so therefore they should have been able to play the GF at home is when they started season 2017 they knew that if they made the GF it would be played at the MCG. They agreed to that, as did all of the teams whether based in Melbourne or not.

 

[22nd Man]

The 3 match series has me buggered, what are they going to play it over 3 weeks? And the GF can best be compared with the superbowl is the superbowl played over multiple weeks? No.

Best of three to be implemented at this years Wotld Cup?

 

[14tempany]

so glad to hear your rant Mac
I too had the unfortunate luck to be listening to Mike Sheahan who had time on his hands flying to some fancy wedding in WA
This made him think of all the travel interstate teams have and how much it disadvantages them
Then to bring up that there were whispers at this fancy wedding among the AFL powers that be that they would consider best of 3 grand finals or sharing the games around
Of course then Garry Lyon ( that known total Richmond hater ) gets in on the act and says he agrees and that it should be like the US where the Superbowl goes all over the place
then they started getting people on social media apparently agreeing but really all of them were saying "its not fair Richmond played Adelaide on their home ground" something I am fed to the back teeth hearing since our final series and esp our grand final win
I too thought of all those premierships esp the Adelaide ones in succession which I actually attended and I can remember there was no, zilch, nada comment at the time of the unfairness of this
Our win last year and the fact it was against teams who all have home grounds out of Melbourne seems to have got up everyones nose
Wish you rang in with your rant Mac to even up this rubbish!!!!

 

[zippadeee]

so glad to hear your rant Mac
I too had the unfortunate luck to be listening to Mike Sheahan who had time on his hands flying to some fancy wedding in WA
This made him think of all the travel interstate teams have and how much it disadvantages them
Then to bring up that there were whispers at this fancy wedding among the AFL powers that be that they would consider best of 3 grand finals or sharing the games around
Of course then Garry Lyon ( that known total Richmond hater ) gets in on the act and says he agrees and that it should be like the US where the Superbowl goes all over the place
then they started getting people on social media apparently agreeing but really all of them were saying "its not fair Richmond played Adelaide on their home ground" something I am fed to the back teeth hearing since our final series and esp our grand final win
I too thought of all those premierships esp the Adelaide ones in succession which I actually attended and I can remember there was no, zilch, nada comment at the time of the unfairness of this
Our win last year and the fact it was against teams who all have home grounds out of Melbourne seems to have got up everyones nose
Wish you rang in with your rant Mac to even up this rubbish!!!!

What happens when we beat Adelaide 3 times?
Does Malcom blight Garry Lyon and Dywane Russell sook that will should've played in a best of 7 GF like the basketball.
A bunch of socks. They cannot get the heads around how we beat Adelaide

 

[SpaceAce]

Bump.

Time for a childish and belated rant from hearing some SEN bs this week...

It’s a pity this isn’t an afl wide thread just to keep reminding the haters that Richmond, yes Richmond are the premiers.

Point in case. It’s been a national comp for some time now. Now and then interstate finals get discussed, but it’s always the majority sentiment that the G is the home of football and the GF should always be there.

GFs with interstate vs Vic club history:
Hawks beat Eagles. No one is bothered. Hawks dynasty was ending but they are anointed the best team. Great. Move on.
Eagle beat Cats because they’re good enough.
Crows play out of their skins and win back to back against saints and Roos. They’re good enough so they won.
Lions were good enough to win against the highly fancied bombers. No problem with any perceived home ground advantage. The team to stop the 3 peat lions? The out of town power.
Eagles v swans. Whatever. The best team wins.
Cats SMASH power. They’re the greatest team in the universe! No one blinks.
Hawks beat swans. Swans beat hawks. Whatever. The best team on the days won.
Hawks beat freo, swans and eagles for a 3 peat. Wow, ‘what a team the hawks are’ everyone declares! Does anyone care less that they had the home ground advantage over 3 interstate teams in a row? Of course not. Hawks are the best, so there. The interstate teams have to learn to play away and besides, they get disproportionate home ground advantage all year to get them there in the first place so it evens out.

But now. Now Richmond dare win and upset all the haters. Well! We’ve really got to do something people! So unfair ‘the best team all year’ (pffft!) weren’t further pampered with a home GF on a terrible and narrow ground. Oh boo hoo.
Dunces the likes of Mike Sheehan - who was always a dunce and now is just an old dunce, but because he’s old everyone thinks he’s some sort of doyen ( : - and Gaddy Loin start spouting rubbish that things are ‘inevitable’, like:
- Interstate GFs for the ‘best team’.
- Best of three GF! Can you beleive it? Best of three! Obviously because it would have been a lot fairer to give the crows another shot at it when they got smashed because these expert’s tiny brains just can’t reconcile with the fact WE WON!
The thinking that the crows should have been given more chance to win bs. They had the same chance as us. We were better. Just like the bulldogs beating the swans.

Haters gonna hate.

Go tigers!

Great rant, I agree wholeheartedly.
Idiots like Sheehan and Gary 'grass cutter' Lyon are complete hypocrites. If their beloved Dees had won the Premiership last year do you seriously thing they would be peddling this nonsense about home ground advantage and needing to play a best of 3 GFs?? Of course that is a rhetorical question and we all know the answer to that.
All this is just a thinly veiled expression of their hatred for our great club and what we achieved on our own merit, without any spoon feeding or assistance from the AFL....unlike certain other clubs, Smelbourne anyone??
This discussion/debate will be forgotten over the next couple of weeks and the journos will invent some other *smile* issue to talk about.
Stuff em all, WE ARE PREMIERS!!!

 

[23.21.159]

Hawthorn beat interstate opposition in three consecutive Grand Finals (in two of which they finished lower than the interstate team) and nobody bat an eyelid.

 

[Mac]

Hawthorn beat interstate opposition in three consecutive Grand Finals (in two of which they finished lower than the interstate team) and nobody bat an eyelid.

Exactly. Seems Hawthorn are just supposed to win. The amount of times I heard and since read that Hawks had ‘only’ a 6 day break vs our 10 - with the obvious implication that’s the only reason we won - made me wanna spew up! That and the commentators barracking for them.
At least the coaches tried to set things right:
Hardwick - would rather a quick turn around than dragging it out too long
Clarkson - proud of the boys for fighting back after Richmond were clearly the better team.

Also - thanks for your other response on home ground ground advantage. The only other thing i’d add is that the G home ground advantage is very much diluted for the Vic clubs because so many teams play there. The interstate clubs could even things out for themselves by replicating the G ground size, but choose instead to intentionally make more of an advantage by having different dimensions, thus exploiting it. Having the GF on a ground like this is double dipping on advantage.
Adelaide could potentially play 10 different teams at the G (include ettihad and its probably more like 6 to 8) giving them a good spread of experience on the ground. Richmond play 2 teams at Adelaide, as does everyone else, limiting the relative exposure. The home ground advtage is very skewed and more than makes up for their travel I reckon.
If I was them i’d be asking for more games at the G rather than more home games. I remember when the eagles won in the 90s they payed quite a lot of games at the G. No fear for them (of course it helped that they were an awesome side too!) I like your discussions points though (I’m just shirty about the dumb commentary floating around at the moment!)
Cheers

 

[Ian4]

Bump.

Time for a childish and belated rant from hearing some SEN bs this week...

It’s a pity this isn’t an afl wide thread just to keep reminding the haters that Richmond, yes Richmond are the premiers.

Point in case. It’s been a national comp for some time now. Now and then interstate finals get discussed, but it’s always the majority sentiment that the G is the home of football and the GF should always be there.

GFs with interstate vs Vic club history:
Hawks beat Eagles. No one is bothered. Hawks dynasty was ending but they are anointed the best team. Great. Move on.
Eagle beat Cats because they’re good enough.
Crows play out of their skins and win back to back against saints and Roos. They’re good enough so they won.
Lions were good enough to win against the highly fancied bombers. No problem with any perceived home ground advantage. The team to stop the 3 peat lions? The out of town power.
Eagles v swans. Whatever. The best team wins.
Cats SMASH power. They’re the greatest team in the universe! No one blinks.
Hawks beat swans. Swans beat hawks. Whatever. The best team on the days won.
Hawks beat freo, swans and eagles for a 3 peat. Wow, ‘what a team the hawks are’ everyone declares! Does anyone care less that they had the home ground advantage over 3 interstate teams in a row? Of course not. Hawks are the best, so there. The interstate teams have to learn to play away and besides, they get disproportionate home ground advantage all year to get them there in the first place so it evens out.

But now. Now Richmond dare win and upset all the haters. Well! We’ve really got to do something people! So unfair ‘the best team all year’ (pffft!) weren’t further pampered with a home GF on a terrible and narrow ground. Oh boo hoo.
Dunces the likes of Mike Sheehan - who was always a dunce and now is just an old dunce, but because he’s old everyone thinks he’s some sort of doyen ( : - and Gaddy Loin start spouting rubbish that things are ‘inevitable’, like:
- Interstate GFs for the ‘best team’.
- Best of three GF! Can you beleive it? Best of three! Obviously because it would have been a lot fairer to give the crows another shot at it when they got smashed because these expert’s tiny brains just can’t reconcile with the fact WE WON!
The thinking that the crows should have been given more chance to win bs. They had the same chance as us. We were better. Just like the bulldogs beating the swans.

Haters gonna hate.

Go tigers!

I laugh when I hear all this rubbish. when we won in September, there was a lot of positive media for us. but now that the monster has awaken, the haters are coming out to criticise us. I just play on it and give it as much as they give. and never forget that whatever they say or think, they history books will always say we are 2017 premiers. and we'll rub it in even more when we go back to back.

I will add one point to the debate that isn't being discussed... we were screwed by the umpies in 3 games last year (dogs, giants and dockers). win all 3 and we finish 10 points on top and this home ground argument is not even up for debate.

Good post, most of which I agree with.
Bottom line is there have been 16 Grand Finals between a Victorian and a non-Victorian team and the score is 8-8.
I would say that is a statistically significant indication that there is no impact.

8-8? I will be using that the next time someone throws this debate in my face.

The interstate clubs could even things out for themselves by replicating the G ground size, but choose instead to intentionally make more of an advantage by having different dimensions, thus exploiting it. Having the GF on a ground like this is double dipping on advantage.

another valid point. what dimensions is Optus stadium compared to the G? or did they copy Subiaco in an attempt to maintain that advantage? What about the upgraded Adelaide oval? or Carrara? or spotless stadium?