Richmond 2017 AFL Premiers

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Just looked over this thread.
Page 5 has a bitmap of the "Flag Now Formality" article from an Adelaide newspaper after their Prelim win.
Some of the text is amazing.

"Not since Adelaide blitzed the Western Bulldogs by 68 points in the 1998 Preliminary Final at the MCG has Adelaide cleared the last hurdle with such ease and so much conviction to leave the thought that the AFL premiership is already a Crows' possession." (Let's leave aside that the apostrophe after Crows shouldn't be there).

Ouch.

"Captain Taylor Walker can go to the MCG on Saturday with a well-prepared acceptance speech tucked in his socks."

Double ouch.

I can believe that an idiot journo would write that but it's a bit harder to see an editor of some description let it through.

Does anyone have the full article?

 

[23.21.159]

Found it still on the web:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/michelangelo-rucci/is-a-third-flag-now-a-formality-for-the-adelaide-crows-after-dominant-preliminary-final-victory-against-geelong/news-story/bf09fc3f6e0d6950d1aa769e49d4c092

 

[Baloo]

I can believe that an idiot journo would write that but it's a bit harder to see an editor of some description let it through.

It’s by Michaelangelo Rucci. Mad Port supporter. I wouldn’t put it passed him to write it up like that to mess with the crows minds.

 

[lamb22]

I reckon Jack's performance has improved the last couple of years. Apart from kicking less goals, i would've though the rest of his game would stack up pretty well. His team play has been unselfish and quite outstanding.

I've been on the Jack bandwagon forever, even when most on here had him tagged as a flanker.

However rising 30 and he really hasn't consistently taken contested marks as he did 4 or 5 years ago.

Dimma hosed down a lot of his flair and we saw the kick ons soccer style, Shed handballs and audacious snaps disappear. Of course he is still super smart and has taken his leadership to a new level. He was always a good team player with goal assists, shepherds , blocks, tackles etc. The new game plan though gives him more chances to do this in the forward line. Our little mosquito fleet also provide more turnovers and Jack has benefitted from a few more cheapies as a result.

Love him, Gun but his AFL rating has dropped from top 50 to around 120 last two years. That's about right.

He'd still be my first pick key forward in any high stakes game. Makes others better as well as being Jack.

 

[easy_tiger]

Love him, Gun but his AFL rating has dropped from top 50 to around 120 last two years. That's about right.

He'd still be my first pick key forward in any high stakes game. Makes others better as well as being Jack.

Hes added the consumate team man, to his already swollen bag of tricks.

He unzipped it and emptied on The G on sept 30 2017: exhilarating pack marks and chase down tackles.

Who does that? Without him, our midgets become midgets.

After i read that Champion data ranks the reigning premiers list as the 9th best (long may the denial continue), i wouldnt wipe my arse on their stats sheets.

 

[TigerFlag2017]

I've been on the Jack bandwagon forever, even when most on here had him tagged as a flanker.

However rising 30 and he really hasn't consistently taken contested marks as he did 4 or 5 years ago.

Dimma hosed down a lot of his flair and we saw the kick ons soccer style, Shed handballs and audacious snaps disappear. Of course he is still super smart and has taken his leadership to a new level. He was always a good team player with goal assists, shepherds , blocks, tackles etc. The new game plan though gives him more chances to do this in the forward line. Our little mosquito fleet also provide more turnovers and Jack has benefitted from a few more cheapies as a result.

Love him, Gun but his AFL rating has dropped from top 50 to around 120 last two years. That's about right.

He'd still be my first pick key forward in any high stakes game. Makes others better as well as being Jack.

Plenty of positives and negatives for Jack and don't disagree with any of your statements.

But in the end it boils down to Jack being the first ever premiership forward to be the lone tall capable of marshalling an incredibly agile and effective forward line.

For this reason, he deserves to be rated elite. Stats won't pick it up but I reckon he will always be now remembered and respected for what he has achieved as a premiership forward.

 

[TigerFlag2017]

Interesting that the club seemingly uses champion data information as well as any club (per konrad marshalls book) yet the list is rated as middle-of-the-comp.

 

[tigerman]

Plenty of positives and negatives for Jack and don't disagree with any of your statements.

But in the end it boils down to Jack being the first ever premiership forward to be the lone tall capable of marshalling an incredibly agile and effective forward line.

For this reason, he deserves to be rated elite. Stats won't pick it up but I reckon he will always be now remembered and respected for what he has achieved as a premiership forward.

Yep, i can't think of another 195cm forward in the comp that could play the role that Jack did last season. It will be interesting whether other teams try the one tall forward and how well that player goes in comparison to Jack.

 

[Ian4]

I've been on the Jack bandwagon forever, even when most on here had him tagged as a flanker.

However rising 30 and he really hasn't consistently taken contested marks as he did 4 or 5 years ago.

maybe watch the GF again :hihi

 

[lamb22]

maybe watch the GF again :hihi

Ian really?, I am one of his biggest supporters. Jack is a winner and I was confident he'd rise to the occasion.

'Consistent' actually has a dictionary definition. Or is your point that he took those sort of marks most weeks?

 

[lamb22]

Look Jack has always been part of my big 4 or 5.

Stats might say he has dropped off a tad which is fair but like I said in an earlier post first key forward picked in my team (that's AFL wide just in case)

 

[TigerFlag2017]

Look Jack has always been part of my big 4 or 5.

Stats might say he has dropped off a tad which is fair but like I said in an earlier post first key forward picked in my team (that's AFL wide just in case)

 

[TigerMasochist]

He'd still be my first pick key forward in any high stakes game. Makes others better as well as being Jack.

Nailed it lambshanks.

There will always be a hole in the value of data n stats rankings for mine, because they rarely value n weight the intangibles of a game.

Things like ( bleurgh Nick Maxwell's game reading and defence structuring when leading Colonwood, often made it so easy for their defence ).
Like Cotch's brutal attack on contest after contest during our finals series. Like Towners crunching n rag dolling of Crouch, or Tross's golden fist at just the perfect moments of the game. Jaaack's ability to stay involved in contests in our forward half n find ways to bring his other forwards into time n space.
There's lots of little things that rarely get noticed or valued by the bean counters of stats n numbers that are premium value for the inspiration and support of team mates during games.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Yep, i can't think of another 195cm forward in the comp that could play the role that Jack did last season. It will be interesting whether other teams try the one tall forward and how well that player goes in comparison to Jack.

And he stil kicked more than 50 goals for the year.

 

[TigerFlag2017]

I just walked past kb's statutue. Of the current list, who is most likely to join him on the avenue of legends?

 

[craig]

#4

#9

 

[Bernie]

I've been on the Jack bandwagon forever, even when most on here had him tagged as a flanker.

However rising 30 and he really hasn't consistently taken contested marks as he did 4 or 5 years ago.

Dimma hosed down a lot of his flair and we saw the kick ons soccer style, Shed handballs and audacious snaps disappear. Of course he is still super smart and has taken his leadership to a new level. He was always a good team player with goal assists, shepherds , blocks, tackles etc. The new game plan though gives him more chances to do this in the forward line. Our little mosquito fleet also provide more turnovers and Jack has benefitted from a few more cheapies as a result.

Love him, Gun but his AFL rating has dropped from top 50 to around 120 last two years. That's about right.

He'd still be my first pick key forward in any high stakes game. Makes others better as well as being Jack.

I think that you’re both correct.

The weakness of the Champion Data stats is that these are assessments/rankings with only a sole comparative analysis, being just rankings .

What’s the difference really if you’re half a point ahead or behind the perhaps subjective rating of another player? Particularly so if there is minimal actual difference in the measure. Perhaps, one good quarter of football? Their analysis is not telling us that. Importantly, we are not aware whether the Data takes account of the “clutch” factor. Can the player get the result when the pressure is on? September 2017 ought count greater for some of the tiger folks, wouldn’t you agree?

The Champion Data analysis would have greater value should it include Standard deviation analysis so that player assessments reflect where players sit compared with the average and particularly where they are ahead or away from the average.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

#4

#9

You forgot #18 craig.

 

[TigerFlag2017]

Dimma

 

[easy_tiger]

I just walked past kb's statutue. Of the current list, who is most likely to join him on the avenue of legends?

They'lle be mixing the plaster for Dusty this year