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Richmond 2017 AFL Premiers
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Funny cartoon in the HUN today. Knight's on leave so some other bloke did it.
Winx is heading for the finish line at Flemington but Dusty, premiership cup in left hand; Brownlow, NS and premiership medal around his neck, gives her a don't argue and barges past to take the race! ;D
Great stuff :hihi :hihi
There is nothing he can't do!
Winx is heading for the finish line at Flemington but Dusty, premiership cup in left hand; Brownlow, NS and premiership medal around his neck, gives her a don't argue and barges past to take the race! ;D
Great stuff :hihi :hihi
There is nothing he can't do!
Apparently a horse part owned by Dusty, Jack, Prestia amongst others just won its race at Flemington. If I bump into him, I'm gonna ask him to buy me a Tatts ticket.Ridley said:
And some dog called Tiger Dusty won at the races yesterday also...
(Though his colours were black and white stripes
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(Though his colours were black and white stripes
)
Collingwood supporting friend sent me a text yesterday saying that he was surprised Dusty didn't win the Copeland on Friday night.Ridley said:
Geelong 2007. 106, 5, 119 ... Greater average not asconsistent as us ... Sprung to mind not that I have done a year by year check.Harry said:
What about us in 80 42, 24, 81.. Average 49 ...
69 .. 118, 26, 25 .. 56
One thing that stands out about our midfielders is we have 5 high quality explosive goal kicking contested/clearance midfielders with quick hands all in their physical prime:
Martin 26
Cotchin 27
Lambert 24
Prestia 24
Edwards 29
It’s the most important type of player in the game at the moment, as Leigh Matthews has said this week. Edwards, while small, had the most clearances in the Grand Final, and we all know what his hands are like, so I’m including him as well for his ability to backup his inside hands with fast outside running. Is this type of midfield an underrated part of our winning formula?
Inside/outside contested/goal kicking mids. Looking at our Grand Final team I think it’s gone a little unnoticed that we have the best type of midfielders for the modern game all in their prime at once. Probably our only pure outside mid was Ellis, and he was one of our least effective on the day. Great choice in midfielders through the draft and trades.
Martin 26
Cotchin 27
Lambert 24
Prestia 24
Edwards 29
It’s the most important type of player in the game at the moment, as Leigh Matthews has said this week. Edwards, while small, had the most clearances in the Grand Final, and we all know what his hands are like, so I’m including him as well for his ability to backup his inside hands with fast outside running. Is this type of midfield an underrated part of our winning formula?
Inside/outside contested/goal kicking mids. Looking at our Grand Final team I think it’s gone a little unnoticed that we have the best type of midfielders for the modern game all in their prime at once. Probably our only pure outside mid was Ellis, and he was one of our least effective on the day. Great choice in midfielders through the draft and trades.
I've been reading articles and forums all things 2017 premiership. While much is positive, predictably there is the element that tries to bring us down.
As a bulldog poster said somewhere, no amount of hating changes who won or reduces the happiness so go ahead and 'flog it up!' I like that.
However, I've been compiling some of the info from posts from this forum and have tried to put them in one spot. All this is stolen from everyone else (so thanks!). If I've missed stuff, feel free to add.
WHY WE ARE A GOOD SIDE:
Luck?
Every team that wins a grand final has an element of luck running for them, including the 3 peat Lions and Hawks.
Injuries, suspensions, opposition, etc.
So this can be eliminated from the discussion.
Regardless of luck, you still have to be a good team to win it to take advantage of the luck.
Home ground?
The current trend reading several fan forums of different teams is that the interstaters have their noses out of joint. It was the Vics that had their nose out of joint after Brisbane, Port Adelaide, West Coast and Sydney dominated the stage. It was doom and gloom in Victoria because Vic teams just couldn’t compete with the massive home ground advantage the interstaters enjoyed, plus other advantages the ‘love child’ clubs received like draft picks, COLA, academies and financial pushes into non footy areas. Now the complaint is that it’s all Vic teams beating the interstaters that make the final but can’t overcome the home ground advantage.
To me, this seems to even out. In general* the interstate clubs (and Geelong) do get much more of an advantage for home games than say Richmond who have to play all the other Vic clubs at the G who also already play there. So playing Essendon at the G is hardly a home ground advantage. So it begs the question, would the interstate clubs finish as high on the ladder without that home ground advantage? Would they have finished in the top 4 and got that double chance for example? There have been new ground developments interstate too, where the chance was there to make the new grounds the same dimensions as the MCG, but it appears these clubs have made the deliberate choice to vary the dimensions to make the most of the advantage – you can’t have it both ways.
* Despite the home ground advantage, the good teams still find a way to win a lot of away games. Yes the Crows thrashed the Tigers in the early part of the season (more on that later), but the Tigers beat Port in Adelaide, should have beaten Giants in Sydney and beat Freo by 104 points in Perth. Freo beat the Tigers at the G….what does that say about the home ground advantage of the G?
Also – if the G was such a big factor, why haven’t the Tigers featured in and won more finals there? Because we weren’t good enough. Just like Adelaide weren’t
The ‘best team on paper’?
It’s a very popular stance that Adelaide were this. I’m not so sure.
Our midfield includes 2 Brownlow medalists (one of them arguably the best player in the comp) and a former Suns vice captain and B&F runner up (Prestia was draft pick 9).
The ‘not elites’ include B Ellis a pick 15. S Grigg a pick 19. S Edwards a pick 26 with elite hands.
K Lambert finished 1 vote behind 3 joint winners of the VFL B&F. It’s not our fault Carlton overlooked him.
J Graham was the captain of the Adelaide TAC squad. It’s not our fault Adelaide overlooked him.
Our forward has a dual Coleman medallist. It’s not our fault most teams let D Rioli slip to pick 15.
J Townsend won the VFL B&F this year.
Our backline has the AA captain, who has been described by experts as one of the best ever.
N Vlaustin a pick 9.
I missed some but you get the picture.
We also have the coach of the year.
Who are the who’s who at Adelaide? Does it stack up to that?
The best team through the year?
First half of the season goes to Adelaide. Second half of the season goes nearly to Sydney, but they faltered in the finals, so second half goes to Richmond. Why is the more important half of the year being discounted by many? Adelaide were NOT the ‘best team of the season’. Only for the first half of it.
Richmond play boring footy?
Our pressure is being misconstrued. “Roos and Lyon style game of choking the game and making it an arm wrestle non-spectacle”. This is just popularist nonsense. It disregards the fact that we scored more heavily than the crows in the second half of the season and allowed fewer scores against in the same period. So while one team was certainly being locked down, the Tigers still had the run, dare, flare and skills to kick goals. Actually come to think of it, I guess that is pretty boring for the teams playing against Richmond ;D
The umps favoured us?
Over the entire season we had the worst frees for and against ratio of the whole competition.
BUT…what is interesting is that we had a lot of frees for (still not not as many as Adelaide or the Cats and equal to the Giants, all the teams we smashed in the finals). It’s just that we had even more frees against (the most in the league). Possibly due to our style of play. When you get to every contest you’re going to force a decision one way or the other a lot of the time.
Note. The other top four teams also had a high number of frees against, so it’s not like we beat teams that didn’t also play a tough brand of football.
The top four?
In such an even comp, you have to be good to make the four. There’s an argument saying we got there only because there’s an ordinariness to the even comp. No one would be saying that if Adelaide, Giants or even Swans won and only Hawks fans would be saying it the Cats won. Giants are described as a ‘Ferrari’ and some of the best talent ever assembled in one team. The same people can’t then turn around and say the comp is of low standard. They were all good sides we beat. We were just better.
As a bulldog poster said somewhere, no amount of hating changes who won or reduces the happiness so go ahead and 'flog it up!' I like that.
However, I've been compiling some of the info from posts from this forum and have tried to put them in one spot. All this is stolen from everyone else (so thanks!). If I've missed stuff, feel free to add.
WHY WE ARE A GOOD SIDE:
Luck?
Every team that wins a grand final has an element of luck running for them, including the 3 peat Lions and Hawks.
Injuries, suspensions, opposition, etc.
So this can be eliminated from the discussion.
Regardless of luck, you still have to be a good team to win it to take advantage of the luck.
Home ground?
The current trend reading several fan forums of different teams is that the interstaters have their noses out of joint. It was the Vics that had their nose out of joint after Brisbane, Port Adelaide, West Coast and Sydney dominated the stage. It was doom and gloom in Victoria because Vic teams just couldn’t compete with the massive home ground advantage the interstaters enjoyed, plus other advantages the ‘love child’ clubs received like draft picks, COLA, academies and financial pushes into non footy areas. Now the complaint is that it’s all Vic teams beating the interstaters that make the final but can’t overcome the home ground advantage.
To me, this seems to even out. In general* the interstate clubs (and Geelong) do get much more of an advantage for home games than say Richmond who have to play all the other Vic clubs at the G who also already play there. So playing Essendon at the G is hardly a home ground advantage. So it begs the question, would the interstate clubs finish as high on the ladder without that home ground advantage? Would they have finished in the top 4 and got that double chance for example? There have been new ground developments interstate too, where the chance was there to make the new grounds the same dimensions as the MCG, but it appears these clubs have made the deliberate choice to vary the dimensions to make the most of the advantage – you can’t have it both ways.
* Despite the home ground advantage, the good teams still find a way to win a lot of away games. Yes the Crows thrashed the Tigers in the early part of the season (more on that later), but the Tigers beat Port in Adelaide, should have beaten Giants in Sydney and beat Freo by 104 points in Perth. Freo beat the Tigers at the G….what does that say about the home ground advantage of the G?
Also – if the G was such a big factor, why haven’t the Tigers featured in and won more finals there? Because we weren’t good enough. Just like Adelaide weren’t
The ‘best team on paper’?
It’s a very popular stance that Adelaide were this. I’m not so sure.
Our midfield includes 2 Brownlow medalists (one of them arguably the best player in the comp) and a former Suns vice captain and B&F runner up (Prestia was draft pick 9).
The ‘not elites’ include B Ellis a pick 15. S Grigg a pick 19. S Edwards a pick 26 with elite hands.
K Lambert finished 1 vote behind 3 joint winners of the VFL B&F. It’s not our fault Carlton overlooked him.
J Graham was the captain of the Adelaide TAC squad. It’s not our fault Adelaide overlooked him.
Our forward has a dual Coleman medallist. It’s not our fault most teams let D Rioli slip to pick 15.
J Townsend won the VFL B&F this year.
Our backline has the AA captain, who has been described by experts as one of the best ever.
N Vlaustin a pick 9.
I missed some but you get the picture.
We also have the coach of the year.
Who are the who’s who at Adelaide? Does it stack up to that?
The best team through the year?
First half of the season goes to Adelaide. Second half of the season goes nearly to Sydney, but they faltered in the finals, so second half goes to Richmond. Why is the more important half of the year being discounted by many? Adelaide were NOT the ‘best team of the season’. Only for the first half of it.
Richmond play boring footy?
Our pressure is being misconstrued. “Roos and Lyon style game of choking the game and making it an arm wrestle non-spectacle”. This is just popularist nonsense. It disregards the fact that we scored more heavily than the crows in the second half of the season and allowed fewer scores against in the same period. So while one team was certainly being locked down, the Tigers still had the run, dare, flare and skills to kick goals. Actually come to think of it, I guess that is pretty boring for the teams playing against Richmond ;D
The umps favoured us?
Over the entire season we had the worst frees for and against ratio of the whole competition.
BUT…what is interesting is that we had a lot of frees for (still not not as many as Adelaide or the Cats and equal to the Giants, all the teams we smashed in the finals). It’s just that we had even more frees against (the most in the league). Possibly due to our style of play. When you get to every contest you’re going to force a decision one way or the other a lot of the time.
Note. The other top four teams also had a high number of frees against, so it’s not like we beat teams that didn’t also play a tough brand of football.
The top four?
In such an even comp, you have to be good to make the four. There’s an argument saying we got there only because there’s an ordinariness to the even comp. No one would be saying that if Adelaide, Giants or even Swans won and only Hawks fans would be saying it the Cats won. Giants are described as a ‘Ferrari’ and some of the best talent ever assembled in one team. The same people can’t then turn around and say the comp is of low standard. They were all good sides we beat. We were just better.
Shhhh. Don't tell anyone. We actually have more top 20 draft picks on our list than anyone except GWS. We have played finals four out of the last five years. We have two Brownlow Medallists, several All-Australians, a dual Coleman Medallist, the best defender since Scarlett and a list that is perfectly primed and set up for continuing success.
But by all means, people really shouldn't rate this team at all. They are just a laughing stock.
But by all means, people really shouldn't rate this team at all. They are just a laughing stock.
History will judge us much more kindly than the current media think tank.
Half a game off top and three 7+ goal thrashings of the other three teams in the top 4. Even moreso if we back up with another good year next year.
Half a game off top and three 7+ goal thrashings of the other three teams in the top 4. Even moreso if we back up with another good year next year.
Brilliant post mac!!!... couldn't agree more with everything you said.......I've just gotta try and remember all those points next time I'm at the pub, or a mates BBQ, and I'm talking to a bunch of turkeys that think we are still *smile**
