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Reece Conca - so long and thanks for all the fish

Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

GoodOne said:
There is no doubt this is a current weakness of Conca. He does have the one too many brain implosions but that's not hard to iron out. Seems caused more by desire than anythign else.
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yep, he has a habit of going in hard into the back of an opponent on the ground, hopefully the coaches can iron that out. Poor technique but the kid is 19 so you would expect him to be able to fix that. I would have thought Conca was the least of our concerns going forward.

In the last 2 years we have drafted and traded for similar running players like Conca, Batchelor, Ellis, Helbig clearly to address a need. Even O'Hanlon who seems to be very well built for an 18 year old and macdonald is built like a brick outhouse ( if he ever comes back of course). Grigg and Morris are bigger bodied mature aged players. I would like to see us target a ball carrying speed machine mid this year.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

henri said:
Or perhaps the 2011 ones not suiting his?

I don't know what they are, it was a genuine question . If he is comparing them, why only this year? Heppel did win the rising star which suggest some people thought he was ok.

Conca's very costly indiscretions are not minor issues, imo.
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Tell James we are very happy with Reece.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

Yes, I tend to agree abotu needing a quick ball carrying type.

Like a quick indigeneous type of player who has some party tricks as well?
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

Tommo37 said:
I thought i would post a few basic stats from 2012 so far and let people make up their own mind about Conca and Heppell.

UP% CP% Tackle ave Clearance ave Disposal efficancy %
Conca----- 65.97 34.03 2.73 1.36 78.18 From 11 games
Heppell---- 74.37 25.63 2.67 0.89 72.89 From 9 games

From those stats so far i know i would rather have the player who goes in a bit harder and uses it better.

As for Heppell, for a player who gets a lot of ball out in the open you would hope he uses the ball a little better than what his DE% indicates.
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The 2011 stats for Conca and Heppell and the frees
stats CP% UP% Tackle ave Clearance ave Disposal Efficancy % frees for frees aga
Conca----- 31.94 68.06 1.77 1.77 78 22 26 From 17 games
Heppell---- 29.84 70.86 2.73 1.61 74 15 11 From 23 games


On those stats i'd say that Conca has improved where's Heppell has gone Backwards or stagnated.

On the free kicks it shows that Conca gets to more contests where a free kick can occur either way where's Heppell does not.

For a 2nd year player what would you rather have, someone who will go and get his own ball and give away the odd free or someone who waits on the outside waiting to be given the ball and has a worse DE% than the player who goes in and gets it.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

Tommo37 said:
The 2011 stats for Conca and Heppell and the frees
stats CP% UP% Tackle ave Clearance ave Disposal Efficancy % frees for frees aga
Conca----- 31.94 68.06 1.77 1.77 78 22 26 From 17 games
Heppell---- 29.84 70.86 2.73 1.61 74 15 11 From 23 games
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ánd of those 26 frees against only 2 of them were there, the other 24 were mistakes by the umpires. Just ask Smasha ;)
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

In fairness to Heppell, you need to look at total disposals as well. In that category:

2011 Heppell 21.6 disposals Conca 15.6
2012 Heppell 21.4 Conca 18.2

Think it is fair to say that Heppell set a higher standard in year 1 but Conca has improved more in year 2. What will year 3 bring? Regardless we have our potentially future better version of Heppell from the same draft, his name is Batchelor.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

GoodOne said:
In fairness to Heppell, you need to look at total disposals as well. In that category:

2011 Heppell 21.6 disposals Conca 15.6
2012 Heppell 21.4 Conca 18.2
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A second year player, getting 18 touches, a 20% increase on his first year, with a third of them contested...

Don't see the problem that some obviously do. And of course, we would expect his decision making to improve with game time.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

henri said:
Chris Yarran, Gary rohan
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I guess it's subjective but Rohan hasn't shown more than Conca so far, despite being in the system longer. Yarran has had some hot flashes but they only started to become regular last year.

Reece has been an AFL player for a 1.5 seasons. I'm confident he'll become the #6 pivk all other #6 picks are measured against.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

henri said:
Yes, I tend to agree abotu needing a quick ball carrying type.

Like a quick indigeneous type of player who has some party tricks as well?
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Where's Shawry? ;D
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

They are 2 completely different type of players so the stats don't give a proper gauge on things,
Conca is in the midfield where it's a hot footy whereas Heppell is a back flanker.

In 2011 Conca averaged 54% game time compared to Heppell's 83%.

Clangers 2011 Heppell 1.6/ Conca 2.7
Clangers 2012 Heppell 2.0/ Conca 3.2

On average this season 17.5% of Conca's disposals are a clanger compared to Heppell's 9.3%
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

Baloo said:
I guess it's subjective but Rohan hasn't shown more than Conca so far, despite being in the system longer. Yarran has had some hot flashes but they only started to become regular last year.

Reece has been an AFL player for a 1.5 seasons. I'm confident he'll become the #6 pivk all other #6 picks are measured against.
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Why are your only measuring him against Pcik 6's? Why not the next 5 or so picks after that , as they were the ones passed on in order to get conca.
no stats can measure the impact of stupid frees at costly parts of the game-he has done that three times this year. Geelong game , the off the ball free against ST kilda and the sling tackle last week at crucial times. All three were very costly and potentially game changing.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

henri said:
Do you have a stat for giving away crucial free kicks at critical times-repeatedly?
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henri said:
no stats can measure the impact of stupid frees at costly parts of the game-he has done that three times this year.
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Obviously the first post was a rhetorical question?

Maybe you could call Ted Hopkins and let him know you can provide him aa exclusive "stupid frees" stat service.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

henri said:
Why are your only measuring him against Pcik 6's? Why not the next 5 or so picks after that , as they were the ones passed on in order to get conca.
no stats can measure the impact of stupid frees at costly parts of the game-he has done that three times this year. Geelong game , the off the ball free against ST kilda and the sling tackle last week at crucial times. All three were very costly and potentially game changing.
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He's a kid in his second year of league football, so those mistakes are going to happen. He will learn and grow as a result.
In three or four years time I know who I am going to want in my side in a final. The bloke who is willing to take the game on and attack the footy, rather than someone who doesn't like the heat of a contest.
We are also past the days of drafting players scared of the hard ball, we want players who can win there own footy. I Wallace was still around we may have picked up Heppell (just as he picked up Jordan).
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

i think some are giving the poor kid a bit of
a whack, 2nd year and already he is copping it.
:help
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

Conca has made some silly sophomore mistakes but he's also shown a willingness to make amends with second and third efforts. In similar circumstances, many rookies would hang their heads in shame and revert back into their shells. Reece has leadership written all over him and will be elevated to the leadership group sooner rather than later.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

Regardless of the debate let's never question his heart or courage. Ever. Ever. Again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7E1kqthJW4
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca


I don't have a problem with not getting the best of Conca often enough. I'm inclined to think we will one day. But I'm not certain that he will get much better at his best.

All the same, the worst we can hope for is a very accomplished soldier.

The soft thing seems to me to be a bit of an overreaction. He has some *smile* in him and in time I think he'll round out.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

SCOOP said:
Regardless of the debate let's never question his heart or courage. Ever. Ever. Again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7E1kqthJW4
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Indeed Scoop. Most players wouldn't have had the courage to mark that. Let alone a skinny kid in his 2nd year

Leysy knows its a Richmond site & we are maybe a little scar(r)ed that Heppell will turn out an outstanding player, but some of the rubbish he cops here surely can't be from watching him objectively.

Wait til he starts rolling through the midfield in a few years.
 
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca

Leysy Days said:
Wait til he starts rolling through the midfield in a few years.
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Still thinking he's the second coming of Pendlebury?
 
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