Re: Adam Goodes

[Coburgtiger]

intelligent question.

It was never racist to boo at the footy.

Anyone who can't see the difference between a continual, and sustained booing of a single player across the course of a season, and booing a player once lining up for goal, is being deliberately obtuse.

Regardless of your opinion, Goodes was being singled out, continually and systematically bullied, and persecuted. You may like to pretend that booing is all equal.

Just like you're only kind of a *smile* of you swear loudly at someone who cuts you off in traffic, but you're a mega *smile* if you and your mates follow them around for a month swearing at them every time they touch their steering wheel. Because they've got a political bumper sticker you don't like.

Booing is not racist. What happened to Goodes was persecution with racial undertones.

 

[1eyedtiger]

Booing is not racist. What happened to Goodes was persecution with racial undertones.

Persecuted, yes. Racist undertones, that's a matter of opinion. My opinion has always been that the vast majority were booing Goodes because he was a dirty player on the field and acting like a complete knob off it and that him being aboriginal had no bearing on it.

For people on here and in the media to come along a accuse everyone who was booing of being racist is just bullocks.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Persecuted, yes. Racist undertones, that's a matter of opinion. My opinion has always been that the vast majority were booing Goodes because he was a dirty player on the field and acting like a complete knob off it and that him being aboriginal had no bearing on it.

For people on here and in the media to come along a accuse everyone who was booing of being racist is just bullocks.

So it's okay to be a bully, but not a racist bully? What's the difference really?

'Call me a bully, call me guilty of joining in the persecution, but don't you dare call me racist! '

 

[Sintiger]

Persecuted, yes. Racist undertones, that's a matter of opinion. My opinion has always been that the vast majority were booing Goodes because he was a dirty player on the field and acting like a complete knob off it and that him being aboriginal had no bearing on it.

For people on here and in the media to come along a accuse everyone who was booing of being racist is just bullocks.

Just out of interest what does he do off the field that makes you say he acts like a complete knob? Is it his work with indigenous youth with Michael O'loughlin in their foundation or his work with white ribbon which supports victims of domestic violence that gets up your nose ?

 

[IanG]

Persecuted, yes. Racist undertones, that's a matter of opinion. My opinion has always been that the vast majority were booing Goodes because he was a dirty player on the field and acting like a complete knob off it and that him being aboriginal had no bearing on it.

Why the sustained booing far beyond what other players who were similarly regarded?

 

[KnightersRevenge]

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But Goodes is political and did offend mainly non indigenous people. So if someone is a booer of Goodes for other reasons how do you propose that anyone in the stadium distinguish the non racist more discernible boos from those of the racists?
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This is the rub G. I asked a question very like this (basically can Goodes tell the difference and if not then why keep doing it?) of several of the people who objected to the racist tag and of the thread in general and got no answers.

 

[Coburgtiger]

This is the rub G. I asked a question very like this (basically can Goodes tell the difference and if not then why keep doing it?) of several of the people who objected to the racist tag and of the thread in general and got no answers.

I don't understand why everyone gets so defensive about the racist tag, but are happy to acknowledge that they're intentionally bullying and consistently persecuting one individual.

If you're a *smile*, then you're a *smile*. Does it matter whether you're a racist *smile*, or a homophobic *smile* or a sexist *smile*? Just don't be a *smile*.

 

[tigersnake]

I don't understand why everyone gets so defensive about the racist tag, but are happy to acknowledge that they're intentionally bullying and consistently persecuting one individual.

If you're a *smile*, then you're a *smile*. Does it matter whether you're a racist *smile*, or a homophobic *smile* or a sexist *smile*? Just don't be a *smile*.

Its our constitutional right to be a *smile*, Brandis said so.

 

[Midsy]

If you're a *smile*, then you're a *smile*. Does it matter whether you're a racist *smile*, or a homophobic *smile* or a sexist *smile*? Just don't be a *smile*.

Goodes?

 

[1eyedtiger]

I'm not getting defensive over the racist tag.
I'm defensive at the 'let's tar everyone with the same brush because it suits my agenda' attitude. Not just with this booing incident either. Happens all through our society. One person does something that someone else objects to, and all of a sudden everyone fitting that description is the same.

And I don't boo at the football. I might grumble under my breath from time to time, but everyone is there to enjoy the game and to be honest, booing and cursing puts me in a bad mood and detracts from the enjoyment of the game so why would I do it?

And I don't condone anyone persecuting anyone else, but Goodes has experience at both ends of that one, hasn't he? So I don't feel all that sorry for him in this instance. But to be fair to Goodes, some people did take it too far.

But alas, no matter how I try to explain my views, someone will take it out of context and try to make out that I'm an evil, racist booing son of a *smile*.

Whatever.

 

[Rosy]

I don't understand why everyone gets so defensive about the racist tag, but are happy to acknowledge that they're intentionally bullying and consistently persecuting one individual.

If you're a *smile*, then you're a *smile*. Does it matter whether you're a racist *smile*, or a homophobic *smile* or a sexist *smile*? Just don't be a *smile*.

The difference is when others who wouldn't have a clue judge you and accuse you and label you according to their own often ignorant perceptions and values.

 

[glantone]

The difference is when others who wouldn't have a clue judge you and accuse you and label you according to their own often ignorant perceptions and values.

That’s a fair point rosy. Internet forums do lend themselves to expansive broad brushing and misrepresentation, especially when discussing political issues. Nature of the beast.

 

[tigersnake]

The difference is when others who wouldn't have a clue judge you and accuse you and label you according to their own often ignorant perceptions and values.

That might happen sometimes, but not in the Goodes case.

After all the debate, all the discussion, anyone who still clings to their right to boo and says it isn't racist, or being generous, says it doesn't support racists, are either being disingenuous, or obtuse as CT put it, or they are fooling themselves.

 

[Rosy]

That might happen sometimes, but not in the Goodes case.

After all the debate, all the discussion, anyone who still clings to their right to boo and says it isn't racist, or being generous, says it doesn't support racists, are either being disingenuous, or obtuse as CT put it, or they are fooling themselves.

Disagree. Everyone could have different reasons, and many have been given on here, but because some like to lump them in a bulk lot doesn't meant they are correct in doing so. I'd be surprised if too many at all were booing Goodes because he is indigenous considering no other indigenous player cops it. I don't even condone booing but everyone has the right to do it if it's their thing. The sooking about it made it a game imo. Adam got in peoples' faces but couldn't cope with copping flack back for it.

 

[Brodders17]

The difference is when others who wouldn't have a clue judge you and accuse you and label you according to their own often ignorant perceptions and values.

i agree. those judging Goodes do those based on their own ignorant perceptions and values.

 

[Rosy]

i agree. those judging Goodes do those based on their own ignorant perceptions and values.

Maybe but they can do it based on fact, ie actual behaviours, words and actions. There's no fact in labeling everyone who boos as racist or supporting racism. I haven't seen one single bit of evidence to suggest the majority of, if anyone, are booing him because he's aboriginal.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Maybe but they can do it based on fact, ie actual behaviours, words and actions. There's no fact in labeling everyone who boos as racist or supporting racism. I haven't seen one single bit of evidence to suggest the majority of, if anyone, are booing him because he's aboriginal.

Still missing the point. It doesn't matter whether or not a person is booing because they're racist. They're joining in on an act of persecution which has a racial element.

Is like putting on a white hood, and burning a cross, and then saying you only did it cause you liked the style, and your hands were cold. Might actually be true. You might not even be a little bit racist. But look at what you're doing, and think about who you're joining in with,and what you're supporting.

 

[Rosy]

Still missing the point. It doesn't matter whether or not a person is booing because they're racist. They're joining in on an act of persecution which has a racial element.

Is like putting on a white hood, and burning a cross, and then saying you only did it cause you liked the style, and your hands were cold. Might actually be true. You might not even be a little bit racist. But look at what you're doing, and think about who you're joining in with,and what you're supporting.

Disagree. Those actions are probably associated with the KKK. If you did that it would be fair to assume you had them in mind. Booing at the football isn't associated with race. Can you give one piece of evidence Goodes is mass booed because he is aboriginal rather than just disliked for whatever reason or even for a bit of sport. I can't think of any.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Disagree. Those actions are probably associated with the KKK. If you did that it would be fair to assume you had them in mind. Booing at the football isn't associated with race. Can you give one piece of evidence Goodes is mass booed because he is aboriginal rather than just disliked for whatever reason or even for a bit of sport. I can't think of any.

One bit of evidence? Remind me again what round it was that the mass booing started? Remind me whether a large chunk of the people claim to be upset about Adam's comments on race relations? Just read any Facebook comment page on the issue to see the sheer number of people who are booing simply because they don't like his stance on racism, or even that he's simply indigenous.

You're actually blind if you suggest that none of the booing is racially motivated. And when it morphs into the consistent mob mentality it became, if you choose to join in that mob, regardless of your intentions for doing so, you're siding with racial persecution.

So don't ffs.

 

[Rosy]

One bit of evidence? ........

Yes. Not other people's opinions on dodgy internet forums but actual evidence.

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You're actually blind if you suggest that none of the booing is racially motivated. .........

I didn't suggest that. Do you have any evidence that it is or are you happy to put everyone in the bulk bin just in case?