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Re: Adam Goodes

rosy23 said:
So Goodes chose to interpret something one way therefore it has to be gospel. :hihi

No truth serum needed. It doesn't matter. I am just interested how people choose to condemn when they couldn't possibly know the truth.

Since the AFL has established its reconciliation based stance on racism its been documented many times that whether a remark is racist or not is largely in the eyes of the person the remark is directed at because it comes down to how it effects them. Obviously there are limits otherwise accusations of racism could be thrown around willy nilly. She may not be racist but that doesn't mean it wasn't a racist comment. As for ape being a racist term I was certainly aware that ape could be a racist term before this incident, and feedback from indigenous people this week has confirmed that. And I hear a lot of feedback from visitors to Australia that while the racism may not be overt as in say parts of the US, that we can be a casually racist country probably largely without realising it.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Honestly how stupid is McGuire?

OMG. Just worked out how to listen to the link. Absolute barry crocker. the mumbled recant was bizarre. I was squirming in my chair, as it sounded like Luke darcy was.
 
Eddie has gone from the penthouse to the shithouse very quickly. His excuse was something about mumbling, being tired, and the olden days, wasn't convinced myself.
 
tigersnake said:
Eddie has gone from the penthouse to the sh!thouse very quickly. His excuse was something about mumbling, being tired, and the olden days, wasn't convinced myself.

Inneresting. I said to someone at the footy on Sunday "how good was Eddies handling of the Goodes thing?" and the wise man said "Eddie knows when the cameras are rolling". It struck me as cynical, even for me, but I think he may have had a point. But how could he be so dumb on radio with the king kong gag? Eddies a pro. he should be able to snort coke and not sleep for a week and not be that dumb. Once he was that dumb, he shouldve just gone "what a really dumb thing to say. sorry" rather than mumble crap about lack of sleep and the olden days. It'll be all over the news tonight I reckon.
 
Not mine but someone's very quick.

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IanG said:
Since the AFL has established its reconciliation based stance on racism its been documented many times that whether a remark is racist or not is largely in the eyes of the person the remark is directed at because it comes down to how it effects them.

So calling one person an ape based on appearance, or even just as a term, is racist if someone gets upset about it but not racist if it's water off a duck's back to another? Interesting way to define it.

IanG said:
She may not be racist but that doesn't mean it wasn't a racist comment.

Of course it doesn't. And it doesn't mean it was. Might have been or might not have been. Could be construed that way for sure. Could be construed incorrectly just the same.

IanG said:
As for ape being a racist term I was certainly aware that ape could be a racist term before this incident, and feedback from indigenous people this week has confirmed that.

Nothing surprising there. It seems many were aware of it. That doesn't change the fact that some weren't though. There seems to be an inference on here that not having heard of it is akin to denying it's existence. Not at all. Have heard of it now. You live and you learn.

I've asked if there are any precedents for indigenous players being called apes, or any other examples of the term being used racially. Nobody has responded. Considering it's claimed it's been a problem for decades there should be plenty of documentation. I am not for one second denying it could have happened. I'm just interested to read the context, reactions and the comments at the time.
 
Well, Eddie COULD have just been ironically referencing the whole furore with the girl - and I suspect that's not far from the truth. But I don't see how he could have made a dumber statement - except for his apology and justification.
 
Azza said:
Well, Eddie COULD have just been ironically referencing the whole furore with the girl - and I suspect that's not far from the truth. But I don't see how he could have made a dumber statement - except for his apology and justification.

Same as I thought when I heard it. Stupid thing to say and action should be taken against him for it. Will be interesting to hear from Goodes as well.
 
rosy23 said:
So calling one person an ape based on appearance, or even just as a term, is racist if someone gets upset about it but not racist if it's water off a duck's back to another? Interesting way to define it.

Of course it doesn't. And it doesn't mean it was. Might have been or might not have been. Could be construed that way for sure. Could be construed incorrectly just the same.

Nothing surprising there. It seems many were aware of it. That doesn't change the fact that some weren't though. There seems to be an inference on here that not having heard of it is akin to denying it's existence. Not at all. Have heard of it now. You live and you learn.

I've asked if there are any precedents for indigenous players being called apes, or any other examples of the term being used racially. Nobody has responded. Considering it's claimed it's been a problem for decades there should be plenty of documentation. I am not for one second denying it could have happened. I'm just interested to read the context, reactions and the comments at the time.

nothing personal of course Rosy, but I find these kind of Rumpole-of-the-Bailey routines really pointless. The issue as i see it, boils down to the question "are most Australians racist, even without really knowing it?". I answer a resounding YES. Im figuring you answer NO, but I dont wanna second guess you.
 
I just can't belive what Eddie said…..how can that sentance come across as anything but what it is?
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
I just can't belive what Eddie said…..how can that sentance come across as anything but what it is?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mcguire-apologises-for-goodes-king-kong-gaffe-20130529-2na8h.html

Oh McGuire, You've done it again!
 
Well I've been called a "big ape" before. I'm neither black nor look anything like an ape (my opinion). I didn't take offence as to whether I was big, or a Neanderthal type, primate looking or whatever.
To split hairs a bit (no pun intended), I've never heard Indigenous people called apes before, but I remember a few years back when Australian cricketer Andrew Symonds was taunted with monkey chants when playing in India. I think Harbhajan Singh may have said something to him as well? It caused a little ripple but nothing much eventuated.
There have been numerous incidents in soccer with black players (mainly overseas, in Europe) getting monkey chants and bananas thrown on the pitch. Is calling someone an ape the same? It may well be to some.

But the question has been raised before, if it was a grand final and it was a close game, would Goodes have walked off? I guess we'll never know. Didn't Goodes state that he'd heard worse or similar before? Why hadn't he raised the issue? Was it because it was the Indigenous Round that it brought it to a head, or did he want to imitate Nicky Winmar to some degree? (cynical?) there was even a photo with Goodes emulating Winwars pose, he may have been pissed off with what was said, but my opinion (for what it's worth) was it a massive over reaction, with his pointing the finger and storming off.I think a finger waggle would have got the point across, rather than security escorting and holding the young girl for a couple of hours.
The other point, and I'm only going by the footage, was of the collingwood "supporter" yelling out to the umpire, "give it Goodes, he's black" and "give to Jetta, he's black" and "it's Indigenous round umpire". It's been highlighted in the media as racist comments. For the life of me, I don't see it as racist. As I said, I'm only going on what was shown or printed, if he called them black @&$?!s, I could accept it as racist comments or vilification.
Maybe I need educating on what's racist about those remarks, I'm open to it.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Honestly how stupid is McGuire?
So how genuine was Eddie after Friday nights debacle?
Maybe Eddies' like a"Sunday Christian"

Did Goodes call for security, will Eddie be charged for vilification. Oh right!
 
So were Eddie's action and reaction on Friday night, his personal, deeply held belief or actions to protect the "collingwood brand"
"The face of racism" has just got older and more purple
 
TigerForce said:
Yeah it's all to do with the Neanderthal look that dark coloured people have and it still shows, and will always show, why people still have that ignorant 'bad habit' in their mind to abuse people in the way they look. It's a terrible 'spur of the moment' habit people have and I've copped this a lot of times during my high school years.....and possibly still do a bit today as I'm not the best of looks for a bloke ;D

We can educate kids as much as we like, but once they reach the teen years, it's that same old mentality that gets into their mind someway somehow and still go out and shout racial abuse or other types of abuse. I've seen this transformation from kids and it's really sad. This is a global problem due to so many different races.

Old habits die hard. This isn't the first time Sir Eddie has gaffed an unintentional racist comment, but the perception of a person's looks always sticks in the mind of another. Like I said, I've copped this many times in the past especially when I was fatter years ago. Education is just for awareness on what you say, not what you really mean.
 
willo said:
So were Eddie's action and reaction on Friday night, his personal, deeply held belief or actions to protect the "collingwood brand"
"The face of racism" has just got older and more purple

Seems like that was his main objective....not to see how Goodes was but to protect the Collingwood brand.

What a knob.
 
larabee said:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mcguire-apologises-for-goodes-king-kong-gaffe-20130529-2na8h.html

Oh McGuire, You've done it again!


OMG that is an EPIC FAIL!!!



Eddie might like to play the part of the human..."It's the role I was born to play baby!"

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What is wrong with these people?

How's Luke Darcy? I didn't know where you were going with that! That's a Vinnie Barbarino moment if ever there was one.


Rhetorical question. We all know what is wrong with these people.