poppa x said:
Tell me Poppa, do you think clapping will affect the result or the way the players go about their game?
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Re: Adam Goodes
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Tell me Poppa, do you think clapping will affect the result or the way the players go about their game?
Re: Does the AFL discriminate?
Maybe some feel that way but I don't know anyone who does. I wouldn't look at it that way.
Anyway this thread will have to be moved due to the lack of talk about the AFL. Not really suitable for the football boards despite the original intention.
antman said:
Maybe some feel that way but I don't know anyone who does. I wouldn't look at it that way.
Anyway this thread will have to be moved due to the lack of talk about the AFL. Not really suitable for the football boards despite the original intention.
KnightersRevenge said:
Once the players and fans lose their intensity by 1 to 2 % (to feel warm and fuzzy towards an opposition player)
then yeah it would affect their game and likely the result.
IMO the cats will get flogged against the swans.
Time will tell.
Re: Does the AFL discriminate?
To badly quote a famous quote of dubious origin "all that is required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing". (The point of this quote is that Goodes's unique position casts him as the "good man" and to not use his advantages to help those he feels need help, would be "doing nothing") Yes all "should" be equal but seeing as they are not how do we change that without the appearance of a preference for Indigenous? It is not a zero sum gain. If we picture our two (simplified, it is much more complicated than that) cultures as climbing ladders of advantage, and if the white European majority are near the top and the Indigenous minority are near the bottom, it is possible to "boost" them without having to pull whitey down isn't it? Helping to close the gap might mean that that lower group get some advantages in the short term, but that isn't the same as penalising the others is it? It certainly isn't dicsrimination in my eyes.
No point, you said the haka is directed at the opposition, it isn't. Oppositions have taken it upon themselves to inject themselves into it. I don't know if it has ever been done across the fence. I thought Goodes choice was at the very least "provocative". I don't think it was "intimidating" and I think pouring over it is looking for a point of conflict to be honest. I prefered the celebrations done last week that lacked the most provocative gesture from the previous week, but then I'm a whitey so maybe I can't put it in context. I wouldn't mind if it became a regular thing but I would "reflexively" be against a general move towards soccer-style goal celebrations.
rosy23 said:
To badly quote a famous quote of dubious origin "all that is required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing". (The point of this quote is that Goodes's unique position casts him as the "good man" and to not use his advantages to help those he feels need help, would be "doing nothing") Yes all "should" be equal but seeing as they are not how do we change that without the appearance of a preference for Indigenous? It is not a zero sum gain. If we picture our two (simplified, it is much more complicated than that) cultures as climbing ladders of advantage, and if the white European majority are near the top and the Indigenous minority are near the bottom, it is possible to "boost" them without having to pull whitey down isn't it? Helping to close the gap might mean that that lower group get some advantages in the short term, but that isn't the same as penalising the others is it? It certainly isn't dicsrimination in my eyes.
No point, you said the haka is directed at the opposition, it isn't. Oppositions have taken it upon themselves to inject themselves into it. I don't know if it has ever been done across the fence. I thought Goodes choice was at the very least "provocative". I don't think it was "intimidating" and I think pouring over it is looking for a point of conflict to be honest. I prefered the celebrations done last week that lacked the most provocative gesture from the previous week, but then I'm a whitey so maybe I can't put it in context. I wouldn't mind if it became a regular thing but I would "reflexively" be against a general move towards soccer-style goal celebrations.
poppa x said:
Fair enough. I reckon most players are too professional these days for it too have much of an effect. We traditionally clap a player off who leaves on a stretcher no matter the club. I don't see this as much different. I think all players would soak it up.
Push to remove Alan Jones from SCG Trust over Goodes outburst
Caroline Wilson
Published: August 6, 2015 - 7:12PM
A push to remove Alan Jones from the SCG Trust has followed the Sydney shock jock's heated public commentary over Adam Goodes in which Jones accused Goodes of always playing the victim.
Fellow trustee and former Swans chairman Richard Colless is behind the push, telling Jones his stand on Goodes places him at conflict with his role as a trustee of Sydney's home ground. Goodes is an SCG Trust ambassador, the only AFL player to hold that role.
The divisions between the powerful and political management group of the SCG emerged after Jones last week delivered a heated rant on Channel Seven about Goodes.
"They (the booing crowds) just don't like the fellow. And Adam Goodes can fix all this by changing his behaviour. But what's he say today? 'Oh I'm going to leave. I may have to resign. I can't hack it.' Ask the little 13-year-old girl how she handled that?
"... someone's got to ask the question: why are they booing Adam Goodes and not the other 70 indigenous AFL players. Adam Goodes can fix this by changing his behaviour. He again today plays the victim." Jones also said of Goodes that "every time he speaks Australia is a racist nation."
The Sydney Swans hierarchy, which recently signed a new 30-year agreement with the SCG trust, was furious at Jones' attack on Goodes. Club chairman Andrew Pridham stopped short of naming him in his emotional pre-match address last Saturday in which he referred to "some disgraceful media commentary from people of some profile either seeking ratings or relevance."
Fairfax Media understands Colless, who joined the trust last year, has written to Jones telling him his stand was at conflict with Goodes' position as a trust ambassador. Jones is believed to have resisted the push and strongly defended himself against holding a conflict.
SCG Trust chairman Tony Shepherd, who is also the GWS Giants chairman, said he was not aware of the move by Colless. He said: "Adam Goodes is an ambassador of the trust and we're proud to have him there."
Pridham said the Swans were also unaware of the Colless move. While Pridham reinforced the club's great relationship with the SCG he added that Jones' stand on Goodes "was probably inconsistent with our new 30-year relationship with the trust and Adam's ambassadorship."
Any decision to stand down Jones rests with NSW Premier Mike Baird. Jones, who has served as a trustee for more than two decades, is the longest-serving member of the SCG Trust which operates not only the cricket ground but the nearby Sydney Football Stadium.
A restructured 'super trust' is expected to come into operation over the next 12 months and potentially before the start of the next football season which would see ANZ Stadium also placed under the same management.
The public body is appointed by the state government with chairman Shepherd holding no disciplinary powers.
This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/push-to-remove-alan-jones-from-scg-trust-over-goodes-outburst-20150806-gitd0b.html
Caroline Wilson
Published: August 6, 2015 - 7:12PM
A push to remove Alan Jones from the SCG Trust has followed the Sydney shock jock's heated public commentary over Adam Goodes in which Jones accused Goodes of always playing the victim.
Fellow trustee and former Swans chairman Richard Colless is behind the push, telling Jones his stand on Goodes places him at conflict with his role as a trustee of Sydney's home ground. Goodes is an SCG Trust ambassador, the only AFL player to hold that role.
The divisions between the powerful and political management group of the SCG emerged after Jones last week delivered a heated rant on Channel Seven about Goodes.
"They (the booing crowds) just don't like the fellow. And Adam Goodes can fix all this by changing his behaviour. But what's he say today? 'Oh I'm going to leave. I may have to resign. I can't hack it.' Ask the little 13-year-old girl how she handled that?
"... someone's got to ask the question: why are they booing Adam Goodes and not the other 70 indigenous AFL players. Adam Goodes can fix this by changing his behaviour. He again today plays the victim." Jones also said of Goodes that "every time he speaks Australia is a racist nation."
The Sydney Swans hierarchy, which recently signed a new 30-year agreement with the SCG trust, was furious at Jones' attack on Goodes. Club chairman Andrew Pridham stopped short of naming him in his emotional pre-match address last Saturday in which he referred to "some disgraceful media commentary from people of some profile either seeking ratings or relevance."
Fairfax Media understands Colless, who joined the trust last year, has written to Jones telling him his stand was at conflict with Goodes' position as a trust ambassador. Jones is believed to have resisted the push and strongly defended himself against holding a conflict.
SCG Trust chairman Tony Shepherd, who is also the GWS Giants chairman, said he was not aware of the move by Colless. He said: "Adam Goodes is an ambassador of the trust and we're proud to have him there."
Pridham said the Swans were also unaware of the Colless move. While Pridham reinforced the club's great relationship with the SCG he added that Jones' stand on Goodes "was probably inconsistent with our new 30-year relationship with the trust and Adam's ambassadorship."
Any decision to stand down Jones rests with NSW Premier Mike Baird. Jones, who has served as a trustee for more than two decades, is the longest-serving member of the SCG Trust which operates not only the cricket ground but the nearby Sydney Football Stadium.
A restructured 'super trust' is expected to come into operation over the next 12 months and potentially before the start of the next football season which would see ANZ Stadium also placed under the same management.
The public body is appointed by the state government with chairman Shepherd holding no disciplinary powers.
This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/push-to-remove-alan-jones-from-scg-trust-over-goodes-outburst-20150806-gitd0b.html
antman said:
Yes there has been plenty of 'cherry picking' regarding to what he actually said.
Harry said:
A few did.
But the majority used Aussie ingenuity to give very loud ironic cheers whenever he made an error.
Fortunately for the crowd there were plenty of those.
Midsy said:
Scary if you ask me.
Banning booing is a ridiculous precedent. Ironically the first time it is done, the next step in a dangerous path appears.
With political correctness, word's are used to judge a persons thoughts and motives. We can now judge people by sounds.
When you are judged for disliking an individual if they are from a minority, regardless of reason's. We are creating a potentially oppressive society.
Is any of this driven by a motive of correcting injustice and inhumane conditions, that vulnerable people are living as we go about our lives as if it doesn't exist?
No! It is due to an individual, who has a job as a public figure. The public in my opinion as long as they don't discriminate against Adam, should not be told how to feel about him. If you dislike Adam because he is indigenous you are racist. If you Dislike Adam as an individual you are not. Telling people how to feel about him will not change peoples thoughts. Forcing people to conform and the potential side effects on free speech and individual rights seems in proportionate to the circumstances that have sparked the whole saga. To hijack this as a race issue, by the racist who boo under cover and the PC ers on soap boxes is an insult to our game and its greatest asset, The fan.
Tigers of Old said:
Your a reasonable man. Your interpretation seems fair. I can see many who will not bother with reasoning wether these boo's or boo's in the future that involve minorities have to do with the game.
That has always been my fear.
It has been dismissed as irrelevant for Adams benefit. It will come back to bite the game and fans in the future.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-zealand-explains-haka-to-turkey-in-gesture-of-goodwill-at-chunuk-bair-20150808-giuu7e.html
Gallipoli Peninsula, Turkey: A haka has been performed at a Gallipoli commemoration service for the first time in years after Turkish concerns about "offensive" gestures were resolved.
A New Zealand Defence Force contingent of men and women performed the haka on Saturday at a centenary service for the Battle of Chunuk Bair. Nearly 850 New Zealand soldiers died in the battle.
However, before the haka could go ahead New Zealand officials had to reassure Turkish officials that certain gestures were not in the haka and others were not intended as offensive.
One of the concerns was a throat-cutting action and another was an arm-slapping move. Taken the wrong way, the arm gesture can be seen as insulting in Turkey.
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Sergeant-Major Brent Pene, leader of the haka party, said the haka performed on Saturday was dedicated to all soldiers who fought and died at Gallipoli, not just New Zealanders.
"First, I have to acknowledge the people of Turkey, we're really grateful, it means a lot to us," he said.
Sergeant-Major Pene said there were some Turkish misconceptions about gestures in the haka.
"I think they've been watching the All Blacks too much," he said.
He said it was a case of explaining things and being mindful of how certain gestures were perceived.
"I wasn't prepared to compromise our culture. We didn't change our haka, we kept it but there were certain things that I was mindful of."
He said a throat-cutting gesture was not part of the group's haka.
He said the arm slapping was a case of ensuring performers were careful to get the action right so it did not appear offensive in Turkish eyes.
Performers were also taught not to look directly at Turkish officials at Saturday's service to reduce any perception of a challenge.
Governor-General Sir Jerry Mateparae, who took part in the service, said there had been some Turkish sensitivities about certain haka gestures being offensive but the issue had been resolved.
New Zealand's ambassador to Turkey, Jonathan Curr, said the haka had huge significance for New Zealanders and was a fitting way to conclude the centenary year at Gallipoli.
"What we wanted to do was ensure there was comfort on the part of our Turkish guests that this haka could be performed as a final farewell to our fallen at Chunuk Bair," he said.
"So we've explained the nature of the haka and its significance and meaning so no one inadvertently takes offence."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-zealand-explains-haka-to-turkey-in-gesture-of-goodwill-at-chunuk-bair-20150808-giuu7e.html#ixzz3iMf5TDLm
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Gallipoli Peninsula, Turkey: A haka has been performed at a Gallipoli commemoration service for the first time in years after Turkish concerns about "offensive" gestures were resolved.
A New Zealand Defence Force contingent of men and women performed the haka on Saturday at a centenary service for the Battle of Chunuk Bair. Nearly 850 New Zealand soldiers died in the battle.
However, before the haka could go ahead New Zealand officials had to reassure Turkish officials that certain gestures were not in the haka and others were not intended as offensive.
One of the concerns was a throat-cutting action and another was an arm-slapping move. Taken the wrong way, the arm gesture can be seen as insulting in Turkey.
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Sergeant-Major Brent Pene, leader of the haka party, said the haka performed on Saturday was dedicated to all soldiers who fought and died at Gallipoli, not just New Zealanders.
"First, I have to acknowledge the people of Turkey, we're really grateful, it means a lot to us," he said.
Sergeant-Major Pene said there were some Turkish misconceptions about gestures in the haka.
"I think they've been watching the All Blacks too much," he said.
He said it was a case of explaining things and being mindful of how certain gestures were perceived.
"I wasn't prepared to compromise our culture. We didn't change our haka, we kept it but there were certain things that I was mindful of."
He said a throat-cutting gesture was not part of the group's haka.
He said the arm slapping was a case of ensuring performers were careful to get the action right so it did not appear offensive in Turkish eyes.
Performers were also taught not to look directly at Turkish officials at Saturday's service to reduce any perception of a challenge.
Governor-General Sir Jerry Mateparae, who took part in the service, said there had been some Turkish sensitivities about certain haka gestures being offensive but the issue had been resolved.
New Zealand's ambassador to Turkey, Jonathan Curr, said the haka had huge significance for New Zealanders and was a fitting way to conclude the centenary year at Gallipoli.
"What we wanted to do was ensure there was comfort on the part of our Turkish guests that this haka could be performed as a final farewell to our fallen at Chunuk Bair," he said.
"So we've explained the nature of the haka and its significance and meaning so no one inadvertently takes offence."
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-zealand-explains-haka-to-turkey-in-gesture-of-goodwill-at-chunuk-bair-20150808-giuu7e.html#ixzz3iMf5TDLm
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