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Re: Adam Goodes

Re: Does the AFL discriminate?

Not a single person was intimidated by a pretend spear being thrown during a celebration of indigenous culture in INDIGENOUS ROUND.


NOT ONE PERSON.


Nobody saw Adam Goodes jumping around dancing and thought "OH NO I'M ABOUT TO BE HIT BY A SPEAR! Wait. He is on a football field. Odd that he hasn't got his spear on him. BUT HE DID SHAKE HIS HAND! MAYBE I WILL DIE! Wait. No. I'm in the crowd and he is dancing."

Literally not a single person was intimidated, scared, worried. They got all grumpy because the opposition player had scored a goal and appeared to be mocking them. Which happens a lot in various forms. I've seen heaps of players have a go at the cheer squad after a goal.

People didn't like seeing a celebration of indigenous culture. They're happy to sit their wearing their dream time jerseys and say "Oh yes, we support indigenous round. As long as we don't have to see any of that barbaric hand shaking. We don't want to actually think about the culture or the people. We just like the colours." As soon as there's a little bit of feeling in one man's celebration of his background, it all becomes scary and too real.

People weren't scared of a spear. There wasn't one. The only fear was pure xenophobia. And to compare a celebration of culture during a round DESIGNED TO CELEBRATE THAT CULTURE to ben cousins flipping of a camera, is gross, and ridiculous.
 
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Couldnt give 2 rats tossbags. Wish all this *smile*
would *smile*.
 
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Care to answer the question Coburg. Does the AFL discriminate?

I note your "gross" dig but I never compared Ben Cousins' gesture to Goodes' performance. I did say I didn't approve of it. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant :blah
 
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ToraToraTora said:
Couldnt give 2 rats tossbags. ........
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Fair enough. I am interested to know what others think. I feel very strongly about this. I can't support an institution that doesn't have equal rules and expectations of all players regardless of race when I long for a world when people are treated equally. I can't see any positives in what I see as clear discrimination. The AFL is way too political to me now. I certainly respect the right of others to feel differently.
 
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The real "PC gone mad" is a bunch of conservative commentators getting butt-hurt when an aboriginal man did a cultural dance on the field.
 
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rosy23 said:
Were you there and was it aimed at you? Adam said it was meant to intimidate. Maybe his dance was a failure but the intent was obviously there.
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As I keep saying it wasn't meant to intimate the crowd and really why would the crowd be intimidated by an imaginary spear anyway.
 
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Tigaman said:
What would occur if white player lifts up jumper & does a Winmar ?
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He might get a bit chilly if it is done in the outdoor venues in Melbourne.
 
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IanG said:
As I keep saying it wasn't meant to intimate the crowd and really why would the crowd be intimidated by an imaginary spear anyway.
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I get a bit intimidated by Leysy's imaginary intellect.
 
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IanG said:
As I keep saying it wasn't meant to intimate the crowd and really why would the crowd be intimidated by an imaginary spear anyway.
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Yes I know you keep saying that. You can say it all you like but it doesn't change the fact that Adam said it was meant to intimidate and he aimed it at the crowd.

Most probably wouldn't be intimidated by a bow and arrow pointing at them or a shotgun or a slit throat or choking on a tie or whatever other charades of implied violence but none of them were very friendly and embracing just the same. I don't think it's necessary or appropriate in a game of football and I don't think it can be allowed for some and not for others.
 
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rosy23 said:
Yes I know you keep saying that. You can say it all you like but it doesn't change the fact that Adam said it was meant to intimidate and he aimed it at the crowd.

Most probably wouldn't be intimidated by a bow and arrow pointing at them or a shotgun or a slit throat or choking on a tie or whatever other charades of implied violence but none of them were very friendly and embracing just the same. I don't think it's necessary or appropriate in a game of football and I don't think it can be allowed for some and not for others.
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He said the nature of the dance is supposed to intimidate, but it is a war dance after all. Then there is the quote from him stating that he wasn't trying t direct anything untoward at the crowd.
 
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IanG said:
He said the nature of the dance is supposed to intimidate, but it is a war dance after all. Then there is the quote from him stating that he wasn't trying t direct anything untoward at the crowd.
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Let's stick to what Adam said about what he directed at the crowd. "It's a war cry, it's a battle. It's supposed to intimidate you, it's supposed to say, 'This is who we are. Come at us.' "

But that's still not meant to be the focus of this thread. Do you have any opinions to share on the actual topic?
 
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rosy23 said:
Care to answer the question Coburg. Does the AFL discriminate?

I note your "gross" dig but I never compared Ben Cousins' gesture to Goodes' performance. I did say I didn't approve of it. Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant :blah
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My answer to this question is that it's a ridiculous question. You say you're not comparing Goodes and Cousins, but you well and truly are. By asking whether the AFL discriminates in their treatment of the two events, you're asking for a direct comparison between those events.

You are trying to paint Adam's cultural celebration as an event requiring comparable treatment to a guy flipping off a camera.

Because imaginary people were scared of an imaginary spear.
 
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zgod said:
Its because pc has gone mad. Everyone is to scared to say ir do something wrong.
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Dunno who this pc bloke is. But he's not the first:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGIytePrRI
 
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Coburg has summed up my feelings on this perfectly.

I would only add that I can't see any discrimination because the AFL hasn't penalised one 'group' for doing something and condoned the same action in another 'group'.

Rosy, you claim that you aren't comparing them, but that was the entire reason for the 4 photos in the original post: to state that one set of actions were penalised and the other set were condoned - raising the spectre of discrimination. How you can compare a guy flipping off a camera to a celebration of indigenous culture (during indigenous round!) as somehow equivalent is beyond me.
 
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Panthera tigris FC said:
Coburg has summed up my feelings on this perfectly.

I would only add that I can't see any discrimination because the AFL hasn't penalised one 'group' for doing something and condoned the same action in another 'group'.

Rosy, you claim that you aren't comparing them, but that was the entire reason for the 4 photos in the original post: to state that one set of actions were penalised and the other set were condoned - raising the spectre of discrimination. How you can compare a guy flipping off a camera to a celebration of indigenous culture (during indigenous round!) as somehow equivalent is beyond me.
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Panthera tigris FC said:
..... How you can compare a guy flipping off a camera to a celebration of indigenous culture (during indigenous round!) as somehow equivalent is beyond me.
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How was the culture celebrated by something that's meant to intimidate? Why wasn't it aimed at the Swans team or cheer squad if it was such a celebration? Why the reference to indigenous round. It's happened again since and it's been called for all indigenous players to do it in non-indigenous round. What "culture" does a newly formed dance celebrate? There are indigenous people who weren't too keen on it.

ALL of the 4 photos were of behaviour I don't approve of. I don't like any anti social or intimidating behaviour from the players to the crowd. I don't think any of those behaviours add anything positive to the game. I don't think some should be encouraged and some jumped on. At least I'm consistent and don't call of rules for some and not for others. I have no doubt if non-indiginous players tried a similar thing to the crowd it would be jumped on very quickly by the powers to be.

Anyway I think I've got my answer thanks everyone. I can't financially support what isn't an even playing field in so many ways. I don't like discrimination either way on the footy ground.

I would only add that I can't see any discrimination because the AFL hasn't penalised one 'group' for doing something and condoned the same action in another 'group'.
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No but we all know the same action in another group wouldn't and shouldn't be acceptable. Similar behaviour in reverse would be come down upon with a ton of bricks and rightly so.
 
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