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Re: Adam Goodes
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rosy23 said:
Its a straw man argument. He was citing the reality that when white people invaded the committed atrocities (not controversial), and argued that it was an affront to expect black people to embrace a celebreation of that, Aus day. (again, not controversial). Willo, and reactionarty commentators like Bolt, take it out of context to imply that he is refering to all white australians in all eras as rapist thieves to inflame outrage. Same old same old.
rosy23 said:
The context though was about the nature of the dance not about whether he was trying to intimidate Carlton supporters in that instance, to whit:
Fact 3 Goodes said "There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters. "
I also note of interest that Martin Flanagan in writing about it stated :"I do criticise people on both sides of the debate who responded superficially to what he did."
bruntonave. said:
Whats the problem with what?
bruntonave. said:
Yes he did. Perhaps you may want to research a few more of Goods comments
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bruntonave. said:
Now you're making assumptions on my heritage. You wouldn't know my heritage or background or that of my family or extended family. Not that I blame you for that.
But, I don't cop being told that I'm racist because I think Goodes is a wanker. It's a free country. And if people want to think that well bully for them.
I believe (my right to do so) think this has gotten entirely out of hand and been raised to such a level disproportionate to actual events, it's become a farce. Goodes is a sook. He can dish it out to all comers, cops it back and out comes the racist card. But then, predictably, too many fall for it.
Others can think I'm wrong, that's their choice. But me, I reckon I'm right. That's the beauty of living in a free country. My right to have my own thoughts.
tigersnake said:
I don't believe I took anything out of context Snakey. Maybe he should be careful of what he actually says.. He says things then changes the context later to suit imo of course. I didn't hear him clarify the eras he was referring to. If he did actually refer to the early days of settlement, history will show there were rapes and murders committed by both black and white?
Funny how he doesn't decline any awards presented on that day. But I suppose the argument would be that he was there as a spokesman. But he could have always had the opportunity to speak whilst declining any awards.
But that's his choice.
The reality is that not too many current white Australians were present then when that took place 200 years ago and surely he doesn't expect the whole white population to decamp.
Anyway getting away from what I was previously referring to. It's a free country.
bruntonave. said:
I'm sure it is a game to you. I wonder if you'd treat people like you do on here and say the things you do if you weren't hiding behind an anonymous internet persona. Somehow I suspect not. At least people, including RFC, know who I am. Those who know me would know I don't bully people, deliberately keep misquoting them or say things I wouldn't be willing to say face to face. Pity that didn't apply to everyone. Although it's the nature of the beast I personally think it's pretty gutless behaviour. :blah
Certainly good news that Goodes feels that he can come back to the game now. It was a very positive weekend with an on-field and off-field show of support for Goodes and other indigenous players, and a rejection of the hostile, bullying culture that was beginning to invade the the stands.
mld said:
Yeah good on Adam.
I didn't realise other indigenous players were in need of any support.
willo said:
amazing, fair dinkum. You actually believe this stuff? Not the minute details of the half-truths you've actually written, (eg. people were'nt around 200 years ago is a half truth because atrocities and discrimination continued long after that), but the sentiments behind it?
You actually believe that because he may not have specifically clarified the era he was referring to, he was therefore fererring to all white people?
mld said:
I only hope the AFL put an end to the bullying and intimidation from the inside of the fence too. Discrimination is not acceptable to me regardless of age, race, creed, color, sex, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, marital status, socioeconomic status etc. I can't support a body that condones and encourages it for some and makes a stand against it for others.
tigersnake said:
What that people should take care of what they say. Fair dinkum, isn't that what the whole topic came about from?
What sentiments are you referring to?
No. That's up to you ... where's the quote?willo said:
willo said:
Who told you you were a racist?
willo said:
You're whingeing about some imagined accusation of racism toward you, yet you call Goodes a sook?
How is it that you're the victim in all this?
willo said:
People shouldn't say the truth if its uncomfortable for some, thats what it sounds like.
The sentiment is ignorance, denial and suspicion of aboriginal views and experience.
rosy23 said:
So you can't actually quote him.
If you can't quote him accurately, then don't quote him at all.
He did not say anything like willows claim. You, or Willo are free to provide the quote if it's otherwise.
