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Re: Adam Goodes

bruntonave. said:
Please!

It's not barbaric. And they're not the same.

It looked bad and I agree with Rosy.

It was not barbaric to you. Own your own feelings and perhaps allow others to own theirs. Just because you think you are right doesn't mean that you are. We disagree with you. Deal with it. Stop being a bully.
 
rosy23 said:
Not sure which part of my post you're referring to there.

Fair enough if can't tell us what you meant by what you thought was an anonymous persons misrepresentations. Not surprised if that's the case.

Or did you mean Adam said it's meant to intimidate but to think actually he meant is is too literal an interpretation?

I think he meant "There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters. It was actually something for them to stand up and go, 'yep we see you, and we acknowledge you - bring it on."

As for the misrepresentation its obvious if you read the other accounts.
 
IanG said:
I think he meant "There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters. It was actually something for them to stand up and go, 'yep we see you, and we acknowledge you - bring it on."

Haha seems you think you know what Adam thinks better than he does and what he says isn't what he means. It's meant to intimidate doesn't mean it's meant to intimidate? :hihi

IanG said:
As for the misrepresentation its obvious if you read the other accounts.

Not obvious to me where you were coming from but not really surprised at your reluctance to elaborate.
 
Some images of player support for Adam Goodes and reconciliation from the weekend.

Nicky Winmar

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/the-afl-and-its-teams-players-coaches-have-shown-their-many-colours-to-stand-by-adam-goodes/story-e6frf3e3-1227466027210

Bob Murphy wore number 37 on his back today for the coin toss.

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/western-bulldogs-captain-bob-murphy-wears-adam-goodes-no37-for-coin-toss-before-essendon-game-20150802-giprmm.html
Onya Murph.
 
rosy23 said:
Haha seems you think you know what Adam thinks better than he does and what he says isn't what he means. It's meant to intimidate doesn't mean it's meant to intimidate? :hihi

You're cherry picking his quotes to suit your argument. The dance in its original meaning being meant to intimidate doesn't mean he was trying to intimidate the crowd specifically when he did it and my quote specifically backs that up.
 
tigerlee said:
It looked bad and I agree with Rosy.

It was not barbaric to you. Own your own feelings and perhaps allow others to own theirs. Just because you think you are right doesn't mean that you are. We disagree with you. Deal with it. Stop being a bully.

Really. This is about your right to feel that the dance was barbaric? To think that the dance looked bad?

So that's what you feel about the dance. Ok.

What do you feel about what's happened since?
 
IanG said:
You're cherry picking his quotes to suit your argument. The dance in its original meaning being meant to intimidate doesn't mean he was trying to intimidate the crowd specifically when he did it and my quote specifically backs that up.

What is the "original meaning" of the dance you refer to pray tell? If it was meant to intimidate as Adam said, and you think it wasn't to intimidate the crowd, then who was it meant to intimidate? It was something virtually knocked up the week before. Not a traditional dance in any way.

If you think, as you said, that he meant "There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters. It was actually something for them to stand up and go, 'yep we see you, and we acknowledge you - bring it on." I find that very interesting. If he asked the opposition crowd to "bring it on" he should be able to cope when they do bring it on. The opposition, in that situation, would be very unlikely to bring it on in a positive way towards him. Silly to ask for what he can't cope with.
 
bruntonave. said:
Should we take this to mean that you blame Adam Goodes for what has happened?

Who is "we"? "Blame" isn't a word I've used. My comment was a response to Ian's claims that by saying the spearing dance was meant to be intimidating Goodes didn't mean what he said and instead was asking the Carlton supporters to "bring it on".

What do you think Goodes meant by aiming his dance at a particular demographic rather than to the opposition team?
 
rosy23 said:
Who is "we"? "Blame" isn't a word I've used. My comment was a response to Ian's claims that by saying the spearing dance was meant to be intimidating Goodes didn't mean what he said and instead was asking the Carlton supporters to "bring it on".

What do you think Goodes meant by aiming his dance at a particular demographic rather than to the opposition team?
In this whole thing, what is more important, the 'dance', or what has happened since?
 
bruntonave. said:
In this whole thing, what is more important, the 'dance', or what has happened since?

You're quoting me and asking questions but not addressing my responses to you. Not much use discussing it with you when I wouldn't have a clue where you're coming from. If you care to answer my questions, without being too boorish in the nature of the reply, I'll happily tell you what I think in regards to the question above.
 
rosy23 said:
What is the "original meaning" of the dance you refer to pray tell? If it was meant to intimidate as Adam said, and you think it wasn't to intimidate the crowd, then who was it meant to intimidate?

Presumably the opposition team like the Haka.

rosy23 said:
What do you think Goodes meant by aiming his dance at a particular demographic rather than to the opposition team?

What do you think he meant when he said: "There was nothing untoward to the Carlton supporters. "
 
bruntonave. said:
Really. This is about your right to feel that the dance was barbaric? To think that the dance looked bad?

.....

Yet again I'm being misinterpreted. I said the pretend spearing of people was barbaric (see below) and that is what Lee commented on. I indicated that if the tables were turned I'd find it barbaric if white people were reenacting the killing/maiming of Aboriginals. Both are behaviours from long ago and I see no point in aiming them at others in modern times. What do you think it to be gained from deliberately setting out to intimidate others in that way.

rosy23 said:
Pretending to spear people is barbaric behaviour...if white people pretended to shoot him with a shot gun I'd think the same.

BTW lukeanddad still looking forward to reading what you took exception to with my comment.
 
IanG said:
Presumably the opposition team like the Haka.

Why would Adam aim it at the supporters if the above was the case? Why not aim it at the opposition team like the Haka is?

"Presuming" and "assuming" don't really cut it when we have facts.

Fact 1- It was aimed at opposition supporters not the team.

Fact 2- Adam himself it was meant to be intimidating.
 
rosy23 said:
You're quoting me and asking questions but not addressing my responses to you. Not much use discussing it with you when I wouldn't have a clue where you're coming from. If you care to answer my questions, without being too boorish in the nature of the reply, I'll happily tell you what I think in regards to the question above.
OK,I'll play the game:

Who is 'we'? Anyone who reads what you said.

Goodes aiming his barbaric dance at a demographic ???? I've no idea. But if people have taken it to be about the relationship between non-indigenous australia and indigenous australia ... Good.

That issue is not about skin colour or being polite to people.

Until australia deals with it it won't go away.
 
bruntonave. said:
OK,I'll play the game:

Who is 'we'? Anyone who reads what you said.

Goodes aiming his barbaric dance at a demographic ???? I've no idea. But if people have taken it to be about the relationship between non-indigenous australia and indigenous australia ... Good.

That issue is not about skin colour or being polite to people.

Until australia deals with it it won't go away.

Just for some clarification.
"We" isn't "anyone who reads what you said" . It is "some" of the people.

To me, Goodes aiming his "war dance" at opposition supporters was more a personal statement because they were jeering-booing him. It was nothing to do with his heritage or indigenous rights or to make people aware of indigenous issues. Read what Goodes himself stated after the game and his reasons for doing it. Not now when he wants to rewrite his own history.
It's slightly confusing that many claim we should be an inclusive society, yet laud Goodes for doing exactly the opposite.
If he wants to use his position and profile for bettering indigenous issues I can only wish him well in his endeavours. To continue to refer to white Australians as being rapists, invaders etc I cant and wont cop to that.
If others reading on here feel guilt for that, that's their issue. I can only hope those people do something concrete to further Goodes cause rather than empty platitudes on a forum.
Many judge his actions and words differently. There have even been some indigenous people who have decried Goodes methodology and confrontational approach.
Its no wonder there has been so many divisive opinions voiced.
Each to there own as to their opinions and impressions Goodes has on them.
Me, I'll clap and applaud who and when I want to. I reserve the same to boo, hiss and lambast regardless who tells me otherwise whilst claiming they know why.
 
willo said:
If he wants to use his position and profile for bettering indigenous issues I can only wish him well in his endeavours.

So what's the problem?

willo said:
To continue to refer to white Australians as being rapists, invaders etc I cant and wont cop to that.

Goodes said that? Really?

As a non-indigenous australian, what are you prepared to cop to?
 
bruntonave. said:
So what's the problem?

It seems to me that Adam has the problem actually. He can't cope with the reaction to his own behaviour. Interested to see if he has to sit out the GF if the Swans make it.