Re: Adam Goodes

[Giardiasis]

You've made some good points Sintiger, but there are a couple things I'd like to point out:
- he is not being booed for his looks or other superficial things out of his control, he is being booed for his behaviour and political stance. Unlike looks, this is within his control to change. If he doesn't want to change them fair enough, but be prepared to cop flak.
- why does someone like me represent the early settlers in Australia, just because of my skin colour. Even if there was clear evidence that your ancestor was directly responsible for crimes against indigineous people, this doesn't make them responsible for that.

 

[bruntonave.]

Wrong.
It's what YOU say is happening.
How do you know?

That is pathetic.

People on here have been complaining about him on those grounds.

Why do you think this is happening?

 

[bruntonave.]

No, you wouldn't be standing with the racists. This argument is a smear tactic designed to stop dissent by use of the Association Fallacy.

OK.

So what are you dissenting from?

 

[bruntonave.]

- he is not being booed for his looks or other superficial things out of his control, he is being booed for his behaviour and political stance.

Finally.

This is not about 'skin colour'. It is about aboriginal identity. It is about australian history and how it affects the australian present.

Of course you're not personally responsible for things done in the past, or elsewhere.

We have no trouble taking pride and assuming ownership for the anzacs, or the test team.

But we're not personally responsible for anything they did or do either.

For non-indigenous australians this is about taking responsibility.

That's a personal choice.

It's up to you.

 

[Giardiasis]

OK.

So what are you dissenting from?

Well I've never felt the need to boo the man.

If you mean the booers, then I think their dissent is against the political stance of AG and the AFL. Have a read of the article by Dallas Scott.

 

[bruntonave.]

If you mean the booers, then I think their dissent is against the political stance of AG and the AFL.

I agree.

Do you dissent from Adam Goode's political views?

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

That would be very unfortunate but if anyone chooses to boo Adam after all that's been said, I'd call them out. Even if not directly, I'd report it to security.

Has anyone ever considered that people may have been booing the booers? And then booing the people booing the booers?

 

[Harry]

kinda don't agree with us wearing the dreamtime jumper as it's sort of justifying the racism card. thought sam newmans opinion was pretty accurate. the media have blown it out of proportion in a way.

 

[Chelsea]

What do people think about the Sydney cheer squad using assault (throwing eggs) at people who boo Goodes in future?
This is out of hand.
So people are now going to cause violence in the stands to quell booing?
This is outrageous!
I completely agree with Warnie, Sam Newman, Dermott Brereton, Nathan Brown, and Rita Panahi for the comments and opinions.
If Adam Goodes does not like being booed then he should retire immediately.
It would be best for his own welfare and the club he plays for as well as the general footballing community if he leaves the game.
Then we can get on with playing football and looking forward to the finals without this sideshow.

 

[Giardiasis]

Do you dissent from Adam Goode's political views?

I think that has been well established.

 

[tigerlee]

I can tell you right now that the only reasons I would boo Mr Goodes stems solely from his behaviour on the field.

Singling out a child for calling him a name and staging for free kicks is enough for me to want to boo him. The war dance was to me inappropriate. If I was in the crowd when that happened I would have been offended and a little upset at being metaphorically speared for no reason (known to me, a non aboriginal). Gosh, I boo'd Judd for his chicken wing tackle for goodness sake. Nothing more to it than my dislike for his actions. Same for Adam Goodes. It has nothing to do with his colour, race or religion. If he takes offense to people disliking him, perhaps he should apologise for causing some of the angst. In my opinion, he and the AFL have taken this further than it needed to go by calling it racism. How dare anyone try to pin that label on the mass.

I am not saying some people do not have a different agenda but to call me racist for wanting to boo his actions is offensive to me. Does this mean that I should never boo an action that I do not like at the footy? Perhaps then I should never attend a game again in fear of being labelled a bigot or racist if I boo an action that I dislike.

That is pathetic.

People on here have been complaining about him on those grounds.

I am not - it is purely his insensitive actions that have my blood simmering - nothing more. I could care less what he does or says outside of footy. He is not that important for me to be offended by his cultural views.

I am sorry if I offend anyone with my comments but the beauty of being an Australian is that we are all entitled to our own views. Unfortunately, they may not be the same as yours, but that is okay, I do not condemn you for your views, which may differ from mine.

 

[tigerlee]

kinda don't agree with us wearing the dreamtime jumper as it's sort of justifying the racism card. thought sam newmans opinion was pretty accurate. the media have blown it out of proportion in a way.

Yep. Agree with you Harry.

 

[Baloo]

I find it interesting that despite the constant booing for so long, the only time it's seems to have finally got to him is when he saw his indigenous teammate stand up for him in a confrontational and public manner.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he may actually really care more about his brothers than he does about himself.

Or maybe he's such an attention seeker he needed to take the limelight back of Jetta who was trying intrude in his glory.

 

[Chelsea]

I can tell you right now that the only reasons I would boo Mr Goodes stems solely from his behaviour on the field.

Singling out a child for calling him a name and staging for free kicks is enough for me to want to boo him. The war dance was to me inappropriate. If I was in the crowd when that happened I would have been offended and a little upset at being metaphorically speared for no reason (known to me, a non aboriginal). Gosh, I boo'd Judd for his chicken wing tackle for goodness sake. Nothing more to it than my dislike for his actions. Same for Adam Goodes. It has nothing to do with his colour, race or religion. If he takes offense to people disliking him, perhaps he should apologise for causing some of the angst. In my opinion, he and the AFL have taken this further than it needed to go by calling it racism. How dare anyone try to pin that label on the mass.

I am not saying some people do not have a different agenda but to call me racist for wanting to boo his actions is offensive to me. Does this mean that I should never boo an action that I do not like at the footy? Perhaps then I should never attend a game again in fear of being labelled a bigot or racist if I boo an action that I dislike.

I am not - it is purely his insensitive actions that have my blood simmering - nothing more. I could care less what he does or says outside of footy. He is not that important for me to be offended by his cultural views.

I am sorry if I offend anyone with my comments but the beauty of being an Australian is that we are all entitled to our own views. Unfortunately, they may not be the same as yours, but that is okay, I do not condemn you for your views, which may differ from mine.

Do not say sorry.
Most people who do boo Goodes agree with you as most of us are not racist and merely boo to show our disapproval at his actions on the field.
It has been happening for 100 years to many players. Goodes is no different.
I am afraid there are a few people who want to simplify by throwing everyone under the racist bus.
It sells more papers and allows people to try and place themselves on a morality pedestal.
It is nauseous.
Commentators now talking about race, indigenous children being turned away from the game.
It is staggering how far this has gone.
There was talk during the week of allowing free kicks to be paid if opposition fans showed abuse towards Goodes!
Outrageous!!!
And if Sydney fans start throwing eggs at people in the crowd who boo players then we will have violence in the stands on an unprecedented level.
That is not football. That is not the game I love.
This weekend will be a real Adam Goodes Lovefest.
It is scary to me how many people have got this so wrong.

 

[bruntonave.]

I think that has been well established.

Not to me.

What, exactly, do you dissent from?

 

[Chelsea]

I find it interesting that despite the constant booing for so long, the only time it's seems to have finally got to him is when he saw his indigenous teammate stand up for him in a confrontational and public manner.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he may actually really care more about his brothers than he does about himself.

Or maybe he's such an attention seeker he needed to take the limelight back of Jetta who was trying intrude in his glory.

He likes the limelight.
We have had the Dreamtime round for many years now.
How many traditional Indigenous dances have we seen at any indigenous round games?
I cannot remember seeing anything until this year.
And was Goodes war dance even traditional?
And why did he do it to opposition fans and not the opposition team?
It was contrived to get a reaction and he got one.
Now he cannot stand the heat in the kitchen.
I think he should retire.
Unfortunately he has tainted his legacy and will be remembered more for the last 2 years than the many successful years prior when he played football instead of playing a victim.
A real shame to a champion of the game but it was his decisions that led to this.
He was not a player that was booed until recently.
I guess he has made his money and now wants notoriety and a legacy to leave the game with.
The legacy he has left has not been a good one.
:'(

 

[bruntonave.]

but to call me racist for wanting to boo his actions is offensive to me.

No one has called you a racist.

It's not about you.

 

[bruntonave.]

kinda don't agree with us wearing the dreamtime jumper as it's sort of justifying the racism card.

What do you mean by 'racism card'?

Our club has made it clear that Shane Edwards and Nathan Drummond are personally affected by this.

 

[Brodders17]

I completely agree with Warnie, Sam Newman, Dermott Brereton, Nathan Brown, and Rita Panahi for the comments and opinions.

dont forget Alan Jones and Aker.
fine company to be in.

 

[bruntonave.]

I completely agree with Warnie, Sam Newman, Dermott Brereton, Nathan Brown, and Rita Panahi for the comments and opinions.

There's a list!

I don't know what any of them have said, but it takes all of them to comfort you in this distressing time.