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Re: Adam Goodes

The AFL needs to be very careful with all the "special rounds" it has.
Indigenous Round
Women's Round
Breast Cancer Round.
Charities matches
etc.
And now we seem to heading towards Adam Goodes Round.

Me thinx the average football supporter just wants to watch the game and see our team belt the cr*p outa the opposition.
 
Interesting take here from aboriginal Dallas Scott

http://theblacksteamtrain.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/the-wayland-smithers-school-of.html
The Wayland Smithers School of Journalism

The jeering was loud. Almost deafening in its unison - as hundreds of voices simultaneously uttered a long, slow “Boooooo” at the defiant man who stood before them from his position of power and privilege. The crowd refused to be silenced, their eyes fixed on him in an angry glare that reinforced the hatred coming from their mouths, the mocking tone of their cries reaching a crescendo that seemed to confuse their target, before his trusted advisor could intervene.

“They’re not saying ‘Boo’, they’re saying “Boo-urns”.

Just as Wayland Smithers protected Montgomery Burns in The Simpsons, sections of our media, together with the hierarchy of the unnecessary at the AFL, are now lying to protect Adam Goodes in much the same way. “They’re not booing you Adam, they’re just displaying their deep seated racism the only way they can”, or in Smithers-speak, “They’re not saying Boo, they’re saying “Boo-oong!”

Of course, we have the regular roster of apologists come out, shaming the country and our society for cutting down a sports star who happens to have Aboriginal blood as part of his racial make-up. The caring, informed and sensitive city dwellers who, despite their alabaster skin tone and lack of racial diversity, can not only see, smell and hear racism, but tragically, are so deeply affected by it that they feel they must differentiate themselves from the white person next to them by pointing at them and screaming racist long enough and loud enough that somehow, somewhere in the midst of all their righteous shouting, their own skin tone will be forgotten or ignored.

One thing I’ve come to understand about our society is that often, those who see themselves as the most tolerant, educated and enlightened are usually most racist, close-minded of all. These types were the first to pick up their keyboard or a microphone and declare that speaking negatively about the so-called ‘war dance’ effort from Adam Goodes over the weekend means that we are culturally ignorant, yet in making such a claim, have themselves ignored an entire segment of the Aboriginal community, who are appalled at the ‘performance’. In wanting us to be a homogenous community capable of only thinking and feeling one way, therefore enabling them to have the correct information and be ‘right’, they are guilty of the same crime they are continually accusing an entire nation of – RACISM.

The fact is, some Aboriginal people, myself included, saw that embarrassing display and did not feel pride. Instead, we felt shame, and a sense of sadness and loss. Some of this stems from seeing yet more of our traditions mocked and traded upon, invented and earning overnight acclaim, for little more than cheap thrills while the long standing traditions are ignored, left to die quietly and uncelebrated until they are forgotten and lost forever. Some of this comes from the fact we're tired of the theatrics, and how his need for attention will play out for the rest of us, and creep a little into our own lives. For an urban blackfella like me, I hate the fact that all of a sudden my opinion is relevant. I haven’t written a blog post in almost a year, or bothered to watch free to air television in even longer, yet received two messages on my phone today – one from SBS and the other from 2GB, wanting to know what I think about the whole Goodes drama and depending on what I think, whether they want to hear from me. They aren’t the only ones. Friends, acquaintances and even the random guy standing next to me in line at the supermarket suddenly wants to hear what I have to say, but only on this one topic, just for now. The easiest way to get rid of them is to gauge their personal feelings, then just agree with them. If someone is genuinely looking for a discussion, they are easy to tell, but most people just want me to be the token black who validates their own feelings on the matter.

Views like mine, that are contrary to the representations being made by the rabid, name-calling media, are ignored or rejected by all those who simply want to brand every incident or comment with an ‘ism’, because the object of their outrage is never to stimulate an educated debate or a discussion, but rather they wish to simply stand on their given podium and recite their narcissistic lecture, a pointless exercise for them to reinforce their followers that they alone are a bastion of cultural relevance, understanding and compassion. Sadly, theses ‘enlightened’ folks also tend to take their cues on history from the most removed people of a culture, merely because they tend to occupy the cubicle or apartment next to them, or speak with the most authoritarian voice or sense of victimhood – a sure sign that they must know what they are on about, according to our current high standards of journalism in this country – instead of seeking the truth and looking for those with knowledge that comes from a life of lived tradition, rather than being well removed from it.

I used to dance as a kid. Most of the kids who grew up in our house did it, but I have no intention of my own children doing the same. My reluctance has nothing to do with them being of mixed heritage though, and everything to do with cultural appropriation. I said I used to ‘dance’ as a kid, because that is really all it was. I was dressed in a lap-lap and painted up, was taught the moves the rest of the kids were doing, but it was all just a show. The dances were not ones passed on to us from our Elders, performed for a specific reason or during a time of unique and special celebration that led me to understand my culture in a meaningful way, but rather a collection of dance moves put together by a choreographer who may or may not have had a distant Aboriginal ancestor she found out about in her mid-thirties. A few documentaries and books from the library later, she had all the cultural awareness she felt she needed, and as a bunch of children not yet trusted with much knowledge, we didn’t know any better. We danced for smiling crowds of educated, enlightened people who clapped politely while murmuring “Oh, how cultural”, as they watched us enraptured. I would smile back at them and dance harder, oblivious to what I was doing and simply happy to receive positive praise and attention from a crowd of people I didn’t even know. But I was no better than a performing monkey to them, and for all their education and compassion, those crowds were the most racist people of all. Their wisdom and understanding of Aboriginal people and culture was a passing fetish, and in an effort to appease them, I was walking all over my own culture for their amusement, all of us completely ignorant to this heartbreaking fact.

After becoming a man, I learned better. I learned that our chants, and our dances are sacred. They are powerful and special secrets, not entertainment for the masses or political statements designed to make sure you get yet another mention in the nightly news. I also took it to heart that the title of ‘Warrior’ is like respect. It is always earned, not merely given because of the colour of your skin or your heritage. I am proud to say that some of my own ancestors include great Warriors - men who fought and died to protect their families and their way of life, and faced enormous battles that I could never fully comprehend from where I sit today, in a relative position of privilege by comparison, however you look at the statistics and facts. It would make a mockery of the suffering and heroism of my ancestors to assign a title of great reverence and historical significance, such as ‘Warrior’, to a person whose fame and heroism is derived from little more than the ability to show up a few weekends a year and kick a leather ball around an overly groomed piece of paddock.

As Adam walks out for his next game, before making his way onto that perfectly manicured stadium lawn, I suggest he take a deep, slow breath and reflect upon the reality of his life. Rather than having to emerge from the sheds for the ‘coloured people’, kept separate from the white folks playing beside him, he will run out after being supported by his entire team, not kept to the back. When he is thirsty, he doesn’t have to take a drink at the appropriately labelled drinking fountain, set aside for only folks with his racial identity, but rather will be served like a prince, with a special servant whose only job is to provide refreshments for the thirsty players, regardless of their skin colour or heritage. As he drives his brand new sports car to training, where he looks around at the other players arriving in their equally expensive vehicles and stops to realise he is paid just as much as them, if not more, he should perhaps pause a moment and wonder about whether he is fighting a war that has already been won, and instead of complaining from his position at the top, realise how those on the bottom rungs might be sick of hearing him whinging and would much rather he just got on with life.
 
Chimptastic said:
You have to be careful when saying scientific research suggests Australian racism is getting worse. The meta-analysis results are clear. The more multicultural, the less racist. The more interactions between groups of people, the more 'like me' they feel.

Attitudes towards religion after 9/11 changed, as you'd expect. And attitudes towards minority groups such as the native Japanese Ainu people for example are quite low, but this can't be generalised to Indigenous Australians.

But the research shows we are becoming less tolerant - we are a very multicultural society yes - and traditionally we have been pretty tolerant (although I question this myself after I have written it)- but attitudes do change over time and the research does tell us that attitudes are changing and not for the better.

We cannot confuse multiculturalism and racism - they are very different

And for Australian aborigines - yes they do suffer racism - sometimes overt, but mostly it is very subtle. I respect Goodes in how he is bringing this to the fore, both through his profession and also through his Australian of the year award (Bolt hated this and it is no different to Batty? raising awareness of domestic violence through her award).

If he (Goodes) thinks the booing is racist, then it has to stop, regardless of the reason why the person booing feels or their motivation is for booing
 
I was at a Chelsea game in 1986 where the Chelsea fans threw fruit at Clive Wilson. I never forgot it. Really shocking behavior. I was at a Richmond West COast game at princess park in the early 80s when a group of Richmond supporters got stuck in to Chris Lewis all day and were incredibly racist.

I italy at the moment fans chuck bananas at the black players and hard right supports use footall as a tool for pushing their hard right cause.

We dont have that in our game any more and I have been at the footy where fans call out racism. I am incredibly proud of the woman that called out the bloke that made the zoo comment during the west coast game..

Reguardless of your view of Goodes. It has now become an issue for all indigenous players who feel like they are being booed when you boo him.
 
uhuh uhuh said:
I italy at the moment fans chuck bananas at the black players and hard right supports use footall as a tool for pushing their hard right cause.

The clubs are working very hard to weed out this racist element of the game.

Why ?

Smart move by the authorities. If your fans are racist, the next home game you play will be inside a locked stadium with no supporters attending.

Result ?

Massive financial loss not to mention an embarrassing renminder to all what the clubs fans have done.
 
Giardiasis said:
Not a clever thing to say given you know very little about me.

Pretty safe bet given your main issue in life seems to be that you'd prefer that the government didnt compel you to pay tax to fund schools, roads and hospitals. Life's tough.
 
Here Chelsea, this page might be one you can relate too

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Boo-Adam-Goodes/388712491338103
 
Just listened to Goodes’ aussie of the year acceptance speech for the first time. Really quite a beautiful speech. Amazed that anyone could etch out some sense of resentment from its content. Staggered actually.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EV-cLb_Ttg
 
Correct me if I am wrong as I only watched it on tv but I don't recall any booing of Goodes when we played Sydney.

I can only speak for myself here, I booed Dunkley every time he went near the ball for the rest of his career after that push in the back (dog act) so close
near the fence that cost Richo a knee reco. He had kicked 27.3 to that point in the year... what could have been. Would I welcome his son into the Tiger fold... hell yes I would!

I booed Milne because he was shifty as a sh!thouse rat... now I don't know what the court decided... you make up your own minds... but I booed him for that.

I booed Matthew 'Greg Louganis' Lloyd because he staged for frees and was a sniper too

I booed Karl Langdon and that Hamilton? (the guy who went from Carlton to the Saints) because he was a sniping dog.

I booed Garry Hocking and Libba too because they were sniping dogs

I boo players who are sniping dogs (not so much of this in the modern game) and people who stage for frees.

I don't boo people on the basis of their race or religous beliefs. I have often stated I wish we had more indigenous players on our list.

I have dated an Iranian girl, a Greek girl, a Romanian girl and the list goes on. I would happily have a mixed race child.

If I ever was to boo Adam Goodes it wouldn't be based on anything but the fact he appears to be a petulant footballer who stages for frees.
Obviously I can't speak on other people who boo him and why... but personally, it has nothing to do with race.
 
glantone said:
Just listened to Goodes’ aussie of the year acceptance speech for the first time. Really quite a beautiful speech. Amazed that anyone could etch out some sense of resentment from its content. Staggered actually.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EV-cLb_Ttg

I was the one who mentioned it and I said the subsequent interviews and off the cuff comments is where I felt he lost his way. If you're selected for AOTY you don't just get up and talk. You sit down with people and plan your speech word for word. You get it edited by several people with painstaking precision. Then you deliver it. So you can be 'staggered' all you like, but I'm not saying that particular speech is full of resentment or his most clumsy. You'd expect it to be his best, considering it was no doubt heavily planned. Now check out his Twitter feed 6 months later... It went to his head and he assumed the role of 'voice of the people', despite his own people feeling ashamed at his behaviour.


But anyway, regardless of how the current state of affairs came to be, personally I think it would now be disrespectful to boo Adam from this point forward. Not because of racism, but because it's become disproportionate to his previous behaviour. There is also the new knowledge that his family and peers interpret it as racism, and only a prick would continue booing (even if their interpretation was wrong).
 
Tigerdog said:
Correct me if I am wrong as I only watched it on tv but I don't recall any booing of Goodes when we played Sydney.

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I booed Garry Hocking and Libba too because they were sniping dogs

I boo players who are sniping dogs (not so much of this in the modern game) and people who stage for frees.

I don't boo people on the basis of their race or religous beliefs. I have often stated I wish we had more indigenous players on our list.

I have dated an Iranian girl, a Greek girl, a Romanian girl and the list goes on. I would happily have a mixed race child.

If I ever was to boo Adam Goodes it wouldn't be based on anything but the fact he appears to be a petulant footballer who stages for frees.
Obviously I can't speak on other people who boo him and why... but personally, it has nothing to do with race.

Sorry mate but on here atm, you are a racist. Maybe find a nice quiet place to sit down and come to terms with this crowdstablished fact.
 
poppa x said:
Ours is a united game.
For 2 hours every game day....
We unite the rich and the poor.
The Black, White, Brown and Yellow skins.
People who vote Labor, Liberal, Greens and some whacky independents.
Old and the young.
Religious and the atheists.
Lawyers and Bricklayers.

For 2 hours we are one.

And I won't cop any player tring to turn our united game into a political stage.

2c.

Soft Poppa.

If that's your argument then go to a press event and boo him there. When is playing footy he is a footy player. When pulls on a suit and speaks about Indigenous issues publicly that is a different thing all together.