Re: Adam Goodes

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

yeah, you're probably right by I have no idea of any American Indians who fought for equality. Then again they dont pay tax and can setup casinos where ever they live so maybe their content with they're lot. probably on a better wicket.

I think a large number live on reservations. As original inhabitants they seem to have been similarly crushed, spiritually. They face similar issues with poverty, living conditions, substance abuse, remoteness etc that Aboriginals do.

Hendrix (1/16th Cherokee Indian) wrote a song about it, I Don't Live Today.

No sun comin' through my windows
Feel like I'm livin' at the bottom of a grave
I wish you'd hurry up and execute me
So I can be on my miserable way
...
Existing, nothing but existing...

 

[Baloo]

When you say "we kept them separated" and "we considered", who are you referring to? Last time I checked, I did no such thing. I dare say the vast majority of Australians have nothing to do with that either.

Considering my parents arrived in Australia in the 60s I can easily say it had nothing to do with me. But we are not only individuals, we are part of a community/society. That community is the "we", and we're part of that.

 

[ninjahaha]

On a positive note, this issue has ripped off a scab that has festered for way to long.

The real effects are obvious for anyone to see in place's with large indigenous communities. It is disgraceful the living conditions that many indigenous people endure.

Time to take massive steps towards improving the issues that contribute to the first Australians having to live in such terrible circumstances.



Hopefully this doesn't just end at being about the treatment of a good footballer. Peoples attitudes at a deeper level are on show here.



If those in the media, involved with the AFL and in politics showing outrage at the treatment of Goodes take the issue beyond how racism effects a successful individual then it will show they genuinely care. At the moment it all comes across as holier than thou. They seem to be taking aim at the common man to bloat their own standing.

 

[Giardiasis]

Considering my parents arrived in Australia in the 60s I can easily say it had nothing to do with me. But we are not only individuals, we are part of a community/society. That community is the "we", and we're part of that.

The concept of a community/society can only be understood through individuals as only individuals have values. Social cooperation is in everyone's best interest if they value improving their wellbeing, and people generally have empathy for others and are willing to help where they can. So campaign all you want to support initiatives that you feel are important, but that doesn't justify forcing others to comply to what you feel is important.

At the end of the day, Goodes is a rent seeker who wants to use the coercive powers of the government to tax and spend money where he sees fit, and to provide legal advantages for a select group of people.

 

[Chelsea]

Considering my parents arrived in Australia in the 60s I can easily say it had nothing to do with me. But we are not only individuals, we are part of a community/society. That community is the "we", and we're part of that.

Hi Baloo.
The community is the "we". I agree with you.
That is why I am angry about Adam Goodes dividing our community with help from a very one-sided media and AFL.
I don't think I have seen such divisiveness for many years and I fear the Indigenous community as a whole may suffer a backlash.
Jetta was never booed before last week. Will he be booed now? A shame if he does but he has now decided to go down the same route as Goodes with a provocative war dance aimed at football fans.
Will other indigenous players be booed if they start to emulate Adam Goodes behaviour during matches?
I cannot see this improving reconciliation. The community is further divided.
I think Gerard Whately on AFL360 said we made some strides over the last 20 years on reconciliation and race relations and now we have taken a few steps back.

 

[Chelsea]

The concept of a community/society can only be understood through individuals as only individuals have values. Social cooperation is in everyone's best interest if they value improving their wellbeing, and people generally have empathy for others and are willing to help where they can. So campaign all you want to support initiatives that you feel are important, but that doesn't justify forcing others to comply to what you feel is important.

At the end of the day, Goodes is a rent seeker who wants to use the coercive powers of the government to tax and spend money where he sees fit, and to provide legal advantages for a select group of people.

Hi Giardiasis,
Will Scottish people get any benefit from his coercive powers?
He is half Scottish but seems to shun this part of his heritage.
Maybe he would not get the same notoriety doing a highland fling in front of the Carlton cheer squad? ;D

 

[Baloo]

So campaign all you want to support initiatives that you feel are important, but that doesn't justify forcing others to comply to what you feel is important.

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. But that doesn't mean I wont call out injustices, double standards and areas for concern when I see them. That's at minimum my duty as a member of this society.

At the end of the day, Goodes is a rent seeker who wants to use the coercive powers of the government to tax and spend money where he sees fit, and to provide legal advantages for a select group of people.

GiaMan, the second you start mixing your extreme whacky politcal/economic beliefs into debates where they aren't relevant, I switch off. Like right now.

 

[Bunnerz]

just got a message having a go at me for saying i booooed libba because he was an Italian.
i was joking.

i booed him because he was a dirty little dweeb who whacked Knights in a shocking act of play.

 

[Baloo]

I don't think I have seen such divisiveness for many years and I fear the Indigenous community as a whole may suffer a backlash.

I think the opposite. I think this in time will be seen as another moment where as a nation we become more tolerant. Short term pain for long term gain.

And as victimised as you may feel for being accused of supporting an activity that is seen as racism now, I don't think anyone is taking it as hard as Goodes himself is.

Read Rob Muphy's column in the age. A very good writer with a good feel for the game. See what he thinks about all this. But then you could dismiss it as PC *smile* and towing the line which I think is a cop out.

 

[Baloo]

just got a message having a go at me for saying i booooed libba because he was an Italian.
i was joking.

i booed him because he was a dirty little dweeb who whacked Knights in a shocking act of play.

Short arsed wog was Libba. About the only redeeming quality was that he wasn't a ranga.

 

[tigersnake]

Very proud of RFC for supporting Goodes this weekend.

This is what leadership is about.

The gesture will not change the minds of many of those who boo (for whatever their reasons), but I could not be more proud in the club than I am today.

X2

edit, I reckon it will make a few people stop and think and maybe reassess.

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Jetta was never booed before last week. Will he be booed now? A shame if he does but he has now decided to go down the same route as Goodes with a provocative war dance aimed at football fans.

If throwing imaginary implements offends you, feel free to retaliate with imaginary booing.

 

[Giardiasis]

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. But that doesn't mean I wont call out injustices, double standards and areas for concern when I see them. That's at minimum my duty as a member of this society.

GiaMan, the second you start mixing your extreme whacky politcal/economic beliefs into debates where they aren't relevant, I switch off. Like right now.

Yes you are, you said that we need government intervention to resolve issues with indigenous australian's. That involves taxation and redistribution, which involves forceful confiscation of wealth.

Of course they are relevant, the post you originally quoted referred to political ideas.

 

[Chelsea]

I think the opposite. I think this in time will be seen as another moment where as a nation we become more tolerant. Short term pain for long term gain.

And as victimised as you may feel for being accused of supporting an activity that is seen as racism now, I don't think anyone is taking it as hard as Goodes himself is.

Read Rob Muphy's column in the age. A very good writer with a good feel for the game. See what he thinks about all this. But then you could dismiss it as PC *smile* and towing the line which I think is a cop out.

I think we were already very tolerant.
To have a round of football to celebrate indigenous footballers only. To have an indigenous centre at our club.
To have indigenous players be treated equally in our teams. To have indigenous captains lead teams.
I go to the football a lot and have no heard any racist abuse from the crowd for many years.
Adam Goodes is a footballer.
People would have tolerated and probably admired his war dance if he chose to do it at the opposition he was playing.
He chose to use it towards opposition fans instead. There was always going to be a backlash there.
I know if an indigenous player ran towards the Richmond Cheer Squad with a provocative dance aimed at them and an invisible spear thrown in their direction, I am just about certain they would not stay seated and clap enthusiastically.
What could the fans do to sdhow their disapproval in this case?
I would stand a boo.
That's not racist. That's all I could do within the law to say no, I do not like you.
As for Robert Murphy. Name one footballer or footballing journalist who has said, no Adam you are wrong?
Everyone is scared. The PC brigade will run anybody out of town who shows any dissent and sides with the everyday Joe Bloggs in the crowd.

 

[Tigers of Old]

If throwing imaginary implements offends you, feel free to retaliate with imaginary booing.

;D

FWIW I don't agree with the booing and think it's disgraceful but I didn't really think Adam's 'war' dance in the direction of supporters helped things one bit.

 

[Baloo]

I think we were already very tolerant.

That's great. But do you think indigenous australians feel that we are very tolerant ?

As for Robert Murphy. Name one footballer or footballing journalist who has said, no Adam you are wrong?

Dermie and Acker

Everyone is scared. The PC brigade will run anybody out of town who shows any dissent and sides with the everyday Joe Bloggs in the crowd.

That's certainly one viewpoint, that everyone agrees with you but are too scared to admit it. The other side of the coin is that they don't agree with you and are saying so out loud.

I doubt you would be prepared to put money on the former being the case.

 

[Scoop]

So proud of our club. We are the forward thinking club, only club with a female president, progressive thinking club that I never thought we could be.

Well done Peggy, well done Benny, well done Dimma, well done Cotch. Making your supporter base proud.

PS. Win a final!

 

[Baloo]

;D

FWIW I don't agree with the booing and think it's disgraceful but I didn't really think Adam's 'war' dance in the direction of supporters helped things one bit.

Depends on what he wanted to achieve really. If he wanted to bring racism to the forefront again then it's helped do that.

 

[tigersnake]

Adam's attitude can be seen in his interviews and speeches. There's little love in those speeches. Other Indigenous rights activists are universally loved and admired, so people certainly don't dislike him because of his decision to make a stand.

Why do you think people dislike Adam Goodes?

Dunno which Indigenous rights activists you've been watching. Gary Foley, Michael Mansell, Lois O'Donohue, then there is Anthony Mundine, there's more.. Like Goodes, they have all copped flak and hatred for not pandering to the insecurities and prejudices of those that outnumber them 97 to 1.

I reckon the better question is, why is Goodes angry?

 

[tigersnake]

So proud of our club. We are the forward thinking club, only club with a female president, progressive thinking club that I never thought we could be.

Well done Peggy, well done Benny, well done Dimma, well done Cotch. Making your supporter base proud.

PS. Win a final!

Great post scoop, my sentiments exactly. Had almost as many texts and calls about, (all very positive) it as when the tiges have a big upset win.