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Re: Adam Goodes
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bruntonave. said:
I disagree with Tony Abbott's politics on the boat people, but that doesn't mean I want open borders.
Most people feel Adam's anti-racism stance has been harmfully clumsy. It takes genuine intelligence and nuance to stand up and make effective speeches about racism.
Listen to Martin Luther King give a speech, then listen to Adam Goodes give a speech. Adam clearly lacks the refined skills necessary for leading these issues. He comes across as an absolute flog who hates Australia.
He wants to group people based on the colour of their skin, and use government coercion to benefit one of these groups. Personally I think everyone should be viewed the same way, and receive no government redistribution based on the colour of their skin.bruntonave. said:
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
So who is going to be booing Gibson on Friday for punching opponents behind the play in previous matches?
Who is going to be booing Sam Mitchell for kneeing key opposition players in previous matches?
Who is going to be booing Sam Mitchell for kneeing key opposition players in previous matches?
Tony Braxton-Hicks said:
You're 100% correct in saying it's not all about his on-field antics. Although, the premises behind these questions are incomplete. Refer to my reply to you above which explains why.
bruntonave. said:
Yes, poorly phrased.
It's one of the paradoxes of this debate that Aboriginals want to be accepted, yet many seem determined to set themselves apart.
The Richmond stand is what you would expect from one of the cogs in the AFL wheel.
Nobody dares do or say anything but nod and agree with the PC brigade or you will be deemed racist.
So while I do not agree with RFC's stand I do realise why it is so.
It will be a sickening weekend.
People will be scared to boo or hiss in case someone around them takes offence.
Can we boo Rioli as he lines up to kick the winning goal after the siren?
How many players will do a mock war dance to support their fellow AFL colleague?
The cheer squads banners will be full of propaganda.
The TV broadcasts will be full of journos denouncing everyone as racist and applauding any little indigenous nuance throughout their telecasts.
Robbo on AFL360 during the week so far has been nauseous at best.
And where will Goodes be as all this plays out?
Laughing at home. Nowhere to be seen.
Nobody dares do or say anything but nod and agree with the PC brigade or you will be deemed racist.
So while I do not agree with RFC's stand I do realise why it is so.
It will be a sickening weekend.
People will be scared to boo or hiss in case someone around them takes offence.
Can we boo Rioli as he lines up to kick the winning goal after the siren?
How many players will do a mock war dance to support their fellow AFL colleague?
The cheer squads banners will be full of propaganda.
The TV broadcasts will be full of journos denouncing everyone as racist and applauding any little indigenous nuance throughout their telecasts.
Robbo on AFL360 during the week so far has been nauseous at best.
And where will Goodes be as all this plays out?
Laughing at home. Nowhere to be seen.
IanG said:
I'm really proud of our club for showing leadership. The reality is that the AFL world has labelled it racist. The right thing to do within that world is to take initiative, and we were the first to do so. I'm proud of that. It's not up to the club to treat everything from an academic point of view. I'm right behind the club.
Adam's attitude can be seen in his interviews and speeches. There's little love in those speeches. Other Indigenous rights activists are universally loved and admired, so people certainly don't dislike him because of his decision to make a stand.
Why do you think people dislike Adam Goodes?
IanG said:
That speech was heavily edited, as you'd expect.
His personal attitude is clearer when he hasn't pre-written something (likely with the help of friends). Subsequent interviews have probably incited most of the reaction.
Giardiasis said:
If the indigenous population where living as equals I'd agree. But as we kept them seperated for much of our history and it wasn't until the 60s and 70s that we gave them full rights, we need to do what we have to to help them catch up. It wasn't even a generation ago that we considered Abos are a lower class of human.
Once the equality is there then it's time to stop the racial divide and treat everyone the same. The US did this some time back and while there are still racial issues, the African American popultion are pretty much integrated and confident enough to not need an African American round of sport or have an African American representative team (that I know of).
To get to wghere you want, i.e. no government interference, you need government interference. What a conundrum.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
yeah, you're probably right by I have no idea of any American Indians who fought for equality. Then again they dont pay tax and can setup casinos where ever they live so maybe their content with they're lot. probably on a better wicket.
Baloo said:
Absolutely. Jake Niall (of all people!) wrote an excellent piece on this twin approach, contrasting Barrack Obama with Jesse Jackson.
Chimptastic said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. The AOTY speech was his words and they spoke of unity and looking for common ground. If you have any references to Goodes speaking about how he hates white folk, I'd like to see the references.
When you say "we kept them separated" and "we considered", who are you referring to? Last time I checked, I did no such thing. I dare say the vast majority of Australians have nothing to do with that either.Baloo said:
