Re: Adam Goodes

[tigersnake]

There have been plenty of stagers over the years, most recently Boomer, as well as serial head-duckers like Selwood but they don't get booed.

The booers claim they're not racist, so I can only conclude that they're bogans whose lives are so small that they're hanging onto the memory of a poor umpiring decision a year ago.

Yeah. Getting routinely booed because people think he's a *smile* or don't like him? Been plenty of dickheads who were'nt routinely booed.

Getting booed because he's a stager? Been plenty of old champions who play a season too long and resorted to the odd snipe and stage who were'nt routinely booed.

Traditionally players are booed if they are playing their old club, but half heartedly, or if they have done something dirty in a game or occassionally a recent game against the supporters of the club they are playing.

What's different? He's a black person who is outspoken on race relations in Australia.

Although its terrible for Goodes himself to be booed constantly, its actually good for race relations over the long term. We tend to deny and ignore the reality of racism. This is bringing it into the open. Airing dirty laundry. It won't solve it of course, but will hopefully be a tiny step forward.

 

[Chelsea]

Yeah. Getting routinely booed because people think he's a *smile* or don't like him? Been plenty of *smile*s who were'nt routinely booed.

Getting booed because he's a stager? Been plenty of old champions who play a season too long and resorted to the odd snipe and stage who were'nt routinely booed.

Traditionally players are booed if they are playing their old club, but half heartedly, or if they have done something dirty in a game or occassionally a recent game against the supporters of the club they are playing.

What's different? He's a black person who is outspoken on race relations in Australia.

Although its terrible for Goodes himself to be booed constantly, its actually good for race relations over the long term. We tend to deny and ignore the reality of racism. This is bringing it into the open. Airing dirty laundry. It won't solve it of course, but will hopefully be a tiny step forward.

Hi Tigersnake.
What worries me for people who believe this is racist is that the racists are hiding amongst the people who are simply booing because he is a sook or to put him off his game and therefore it is not being brought out into the open.
It is causing more division.
Booing has happened at the footy for 100 years. It is happened to players of many ethincities. I have done it to many players I have not liked over the many years I have gone to the footy. Now I am being called a racist ???
Just because I boo does not mean I am a racist.
People say I should stop booing as it gives racists a voice. I say that I have been booing for years and people should stop the racists from booing so I and others can continue our non-racial booing we have always done to many opposition footballers.
Many people will now dislike Goodes more and maybe even the indigenous footballers as a whole because of this controversy.
He is helping the PC brigade ruin football further too.
I am 100% behind kicking people out of grounds who swear abuse and racially vilify players or other fans. Booing is not racist. I simply boo because I want Goodes to miskick at goal like I did to Mundy last weekend.
I do not have anything against Fremantle players with a perm. I want to make that clear my booing was no aimed at surfer looking dudes who play football.

 

[tigersnake]

Hi Tigersnake.
What worries me for people who believe this is racist is that the racists are hiding amongst the people who are simply booing because he is a sook or to put him off his game and therefore it is not being brought out into the open.
It is causing more division.
Booing has happened at the footy for 100 years. It is happened to players of many ethincities. I have done it to many players I have not liked over the many years I have gone to the footy. Now I am being called a racist ???
Just because I boo does not mean I am a racist.
People say I should stop booing as it gives racists a voice. I say that I have been booing for years and people should stop the racists from booing so I and others can continue our non-racial booing we have always done to many opposition footballers.
Many people will now dislike Goodes more and maybe even the indigenous footballers as a whole because of this controversy.
He is helping the PC brigade ruin football further too.
I am 100% behind kicking people out of grounds who swear abuse and racially vilify players or other fans. Booing is not racist. I simply boo because I want Goodes to miskick at goal like I did to Mundy last weekend.
I do not have anything against Fremantle players with a perm. I want to make that clear my booing was no aimed at surfer looking dudes who play football.

none of this washes. The booing is different to all the comparisons you point to.

Besides, plenty of stuff 'has been happening for 100 years' but doesn't happen anymore. Driving home from the footy drunk, grabbing barmaids on the arse, abusing black players (I was at a Game V Coll at Vic park and the abuse Mitch copped was unbelievable today, but normal at the time)

 

[Baloo]

No one has answered the question yet. Is it incidental booing when something happens, or constant booing whenever he's got the ball.

That's key to this debate for those claiming there is no racism involved in the boo-ing.

 

[tigersnake]

No one has answered the question yet. Is it incidental booing when something happens, or constant booing whenever he's got the ball.

That's key to this debate for those claiming there is no racism involved in the boo-ing.

Constant

 

[Baloo]

Constant

Then it's not for his onfield antics. It's similar to when Jobe got booed over in the West, it's for what he stood for/represented.

 

[poppa x]

Ours is a united game.
For 2 hours every game day....
We unite the rich and the poor.
The Black, White, Brown and Yellow skins.
People who vote Labor, Liberal, Greens and some whacky independents.
Old and the young.
Religious and the atheists.
Lawyers and Bricklayers.

For 2 hours we are one.

And I won't cop any player tring to turn our united game into a political stage.

2c.

 

[Giardiasis]

Then it's not for his onfield antics. It's similar to when Jobe got booed over in the West, it's for what he stood for/represented.

Disagreeing with Goodes' politics doesn't make you a racist.

 

[Chelsea]

No one has answered the question yet. Is it incidental booing when something happens, or constant booing whenever he's got the ball.

That's key to this debate for those claiming there is no racism involved in the boo-ing.

I boo when he has the ball.
Not because of his skin colour but because I don't like him, I know he doesn't like it, and I hope he makes a mistake.
Jobe Watson got booed every time he touched the ball too after he admitted to taking drugs.
Nobody questioned whether that was racially motivated. Nobody questioned how many weeks the booing lasted for.
Karl Langdon was booed continually at matches I saw him play. Andrew Jarman was similar.
No AFL mandates or special jumpers were worn for these other players.
It's a sad day in football when you can't boo anymore.

 

[Baloo]

Disagreeing with Goodes' politics doesn't make you a racist.

His politics are all about race.

But I'm not surprised that you would be against anyone with a stand that may involve government intervention. Black, White or Yellow.

 

[Tigers of Old]

It's a sad day in football when you can't boo anymore.

Boo hoo.

 

[Giardiasis]

His politics are all about race.

But I'm not surprised that you would be against anyone with a stand that may involve government intervention. Black, White or Yellow.

Yes it is about race, a concept irrelevant to my politics. Yet are you calling me racist for disagreeing with A.G?

 

[newyorktiger]

As a dismayed observer from afar, can someone tell me if the Goodes boo-ing only happens when he dive, milks a free kick or does something onfield that people don't like, or is it ever time he touches the ball?

It now happens whenever he gets a possession. I've seen 2 Swans away games on TV this year (Hawks and Eagles). IMO i've not heard it so loud or so intense.

 

[Baloo]

No AFL mandates or special jumpers were worn for these other players.

That in itself should at least make you wonder whether the issue has now become one of race, whether it began that way or not.

It's a sad day in football when you can't boo anymore.

I reckon you'll find a few sipping their pots at the local RSL saying it's a sad day now that we can't tell the Abos to go back to the bush where they belong.

I reckon the biggest travesty is not get full strength beer any more, but I can understand that the actions of a few means that for the good of everyone restrictions were put in place.

We evolve at a society, it's part of life.

 

[Baloo]

Yes it is about race, a concept irrelevant to my politics. Yet are you calling me racist for disagreeing with A.G?

Show where I called you a racist or even implied it ? I think your lack of empathy for the poorer or less fortunate in society is colour blind.

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

It's a sad day in football when you can't boo anymore.

I go to the football to cheer, not boo. By booing you're demeaning yourself as much as the person you're booing.

It's a sad day for football when booing is considered part of the sporting experience. Go to a pantomime instead if you want to boo.

 

[Giardiasis]

Show where I called you a racist or even implied it ? I think your lack of empathy for the poorer or less fortunate in society is colour blind.

You didn't acknowledge that disagreeing with what Goodes stands for/represents does not make one racist. Hence I wanted to clarify it.

I agree with you that the booing is likely largely to do with Goodes' politics. It seems many people confuse this disagreement with racism.

Just because I don't agree with socialist policy doesn't mean I don't have empathy for the poorer or less fortunate. I very much think they would be better off without socialism.

 

[grumpytiger]

Congratulations to the RFC. Again making me proud of my club. Also heart warming to see that there are plenty of posters here who stand apart from the pack. This man had played nearly 400 games and is a dual brownlow medalist. He was awarded australian of the year ( a title he never asked for) because of his work off the field. He is outspoken and confronts issues that make many people uncomfortable.

Regardless of whether you agree with his style of play or his comments... the fact that this legend of the game may walk away due to systemic bullying from thousands of people is a blight on all of us.

 

[Chelsea]

none of this washes. The booing is different to all the comparisons you point to.

Besides, plenty of stuff 'has been happening for 100 years' but doesn't happen anymore. Driving home from the footy drunk, grabbing barmaids on the arse, abusing black players (I was at a Game V Coll at Vic park and the abuse Mitch copped was unbelievable today, but normal at the time)

Abusing black players is one thing. That is singling out people due to race.
I boo Goodes with the same intent I have booed many players. This is not singling out people due to race.
It is simply a coincidence this time that the person I am booing this time is indigenous but I do not see that when he has a Swans jumper on.
I simply see a Swans player who I know gets rattled because he does not like booing. If that helps Richmond then that is good.

Driving home from the footy drunk is a safety concern and people can die. Grabbing barmaids by the arse is assault and sexual harassment.

Booing football players is part of footy and sport in general.

I have no problem him doing an indigenous war dance at the fans if he is prepared to be booed back as that is all the fans could do without jumping the fence.
The problem I have is he seems to dish it out and does not like to take it.

I am also awaiting his Scottish highland fling. Why does he not do that as he is half Scottish, yes?
That might be less controversial for all involved.

 

[Chelsea]

That in itself should at least make you wonder whether the issue has now become one of race, whether it began that way or not.
I reckon you'll find a few sipping their pots at the local RSL saying it's a sad day now that we can't tell the Abos to go back to the bush where they belong.

I reckon the biggest travesty is not get full strength beer any more, but I can understand that the actions of a few means that for the good of everyone restrictions were put in place.

We evolve at a society, it's part of life.

Hi Baloo
I think it is a combination.
I think the media has made it to be about race.
It did not begin that way.
I did not like Goodes for the way he slid in deliberately with his knees. That is how it started with me.
Then we had the play acting for frees and it has gone from there.
I can only talk for my booing.
Everyone has different reasons why they boo. To tar everyone with a racist brush is quite rude and demeaning to people like me.
Booing is simply a way for fans to show disapproval to a player.
For the football community to label me racist is sad. To try and change football by banning booing is sad.
It is poignant that our club is wearing a special jumper in memory of football before the PC brigade ruined it.
RIP footy.