Re: Adam Goodes

[Scoop]

This issue is now bigger than Goodes. It does effect the other 70 or so indigenous players. The jumper is supporting Edwards as much as its supporting Goodes now. Goodes is the figurehead in all this but the underlying issue is bigger than Goodes.

Well said old sport. Agree 100%.

 

[Rosy]

What a sad time for football. Such a shame it's been politicised so much. Disappointing reconciliation has been set back so far. There's never been such division in AFL circles. There's never been such name calling and judgement of others. There's never been such ugly crowd behaviour. I hope Adam has a different approach in working for his cause in his future life because using his career as a footballer to do it has backfired bigtime and he's paying the price. So disappointing all around. I long for the day people are just people regardless of the colour of their skin.

 

[Giardiasis]

This issue is now bigger than Goodes. It does effect the other 70 or so indigenous players.

Only because of all the journalists that have labelled the booing as racist. That's the meme that the AFL is pushing.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Revealing comments from the mother of the girl Goodes had thrown out.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/sydney-swans/mother-of-teen-who-sledged-adam-goodes-says-fans-should-not-boo-but-still-wants-an-apology-20150729-gimqms.html

No doubt the dial-a-quote media tracked her down, but she's ceded the moral high ground with some of that.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Re: Changes v Hawks

“This is a good system that removes any confusion,” a spokesperson said. “At the moment we’re not being racist, but we’ll let you know if that changes. We’re experts on this, so there’s nothing you need to worry about”.

Another spokesperson – who has extensive experience in the racism area – strongly agreed. “I understand that this can be complex for some people – it is a little tricky if you’re not experienced in this kind of thing – but we’ve got it covered, ok?”

:hihi

 

[Giardiasis]

Re: Re: Changes v Hawks

I totally agree. The more we talk about past atrocities and the more we can educate people the better - even eagles and pies supporters.... There is a huge cultural divide in this country and as a white Australian the sooner we can face up to our past and put the effort into understanding the difficulties our indigenous Australian still face the sooner we can move forward and strive for real equality. Goodes is a spokesperson for the indigenous community he has every right to say it how it is. Looking forward to buying a dreamtime Guernsey today and cheering the tigers on tomorrow night!!!

When you say "face up to our past", what do you actually mean?

 

[TigerForce]

What a sad time for football. Such a shame it's been politicised so much. Disappointing reconciliation has been set back so far. There's never been such division in AFL circles. There's never been such name calling and judgement of others. There's never been such ugly crowd behaviour. I hope Adam has a different approach in working for his cause in his future life because using his career as a footballer to do it has backfired bigtime and he's paying the price. So disappointing all around. I long for the day people are just people regardless of the colour of their skin.

Agree. First it's racism between players on ground, now crowd noise plays part. I reckon we might as well end up with empty crowd games if ridiculous assumptions like this continue. If this booing is racism, am I right in saying that a WA crowd would've been more supportive of Indigenous players than most states?

 

[Chelsea]

Don't you think he has got the message by now? What is the point in continuing it?

Hi IanG
I think it is bigger now. I think its not about booing even, its about people being told what to do, when you are allowed to do it, and how you should behave.
People like to have some freedom at the footy to express themselves. Some people swear, some people scream, some people cry, some people shake their head, and some people boo.
Players have been booed for decades. Aboriginal players have been booed. Libba got booed. Was Libba booed because he was Italian heritage or because he was a little thug at the end of his career?
Was Jose Romero booed because of his ethnicity or because of the way he carried himself on field? Andrew Jarman, Karl Langdon, Stephen Milne, Chris Lewis, Wayne Carey, Warwick Capper, Mark Jacko Jackson, Peter Matera, David Rhys Jones, Dermott Brereton, Matthew Lloyd, Jobe Watson. The list of players who have been booed is endless. Their backgrounds and ethnicity are endless.
The reasons they were booed are endless also. Maybe some Aboriginal people booed them because they were white?
How do we know?
But I am tipping most people booed these players because of the way they carried themselves on and off the field.
The reason Adam Goodes is booed is no different.
Labelling everyone as racist is wrong.
I will boo Adam, not because I am racist, but because I don't like him the same as I did not like the players I have listed earlier in this post.
If people deem me racist still, then I question who is the true racist here?
The media have also been very PC about this. It is sickening. Rita Panahi and Dermott Brereton the only 2 that seemed to understand the masses.
The majority of people from what I have read in newspapers, forums like this, and social media have an opinion that is totally different to what the journos and clubs are saying and leading us to believe. I don't think they are being honest with their true feelings and are simply towing a party line to protect their employers or their own agendas. Surely they could not read a situation so wrong when so many people have a totally polarised view.
Just my 2 cents worth, IanG. I am interested in what other people think here.
Surely booing an AFL player is not racist? I am a Tigers member and we have a rich indigenous history. Why would I be a member of a club who is part of the fantastic Dreamtime game and be labelled racist because a player I boo has a different skin colour to me?

 

[Baloo]

As a dismayed observer from afar, can someone tell me if the Goodes boo-ing only happens when he dive, milks a free kick or does something onfield that people don't like, or is it ever time he touches the ball?

 

[Rosy]

As a dismayed observer from afar, can someone tell me if the Goodes boo-ing only happens when he dive, milks a free kick or does something onfield that people don't like, or is it ever time he touches the ball?

I don't know but I also wonder about that in regards to Jobe Watson who copped heaps of booing and suffered because of it a while ago. Seems like it was a similar mob mentality aimed at a player.

 

[Bunnerz]

To be honest it is A great PR exercise by Richmond...

but it still makes me angry that we are wearing the aboriginal jumper for GOODES on Friday night...

 

[Baloo]

I don't know but I also wonder about that in regards to Jobe Watson who copped heaps of booing and suffered because of it a while ago. Seems like it was a similar mob mentality aimed at a player.

That's my point of reference too. Watson copped it for admitting on TV he took AOD and copped it as the figurehead for all the drug taking and shenanigans at EFC.

If it's the same type of mob reaction to Goodes then I don't think they are booing him as a message to all the free kick stagers in the AFL.

 

[Baloo]

To be honest it is A great PR exercise by Richmond...

but it still makes me angry that we are wearing the aboriginal jumper for GOODES on Friday night...

See my post above. It's not about Goodes anymore, it's about racism. It's about Edwards a much as Goodes. Goodes Iis the figurehead that brought this confrontation on.

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

There have been plenty of stagers over the years, most recently Boomer, as well as serial head-duckers like Selwood but they don't get booed.

The booers claim they're not racist, so I can only conclude that they're bogans whose lives are so small that they're hanging onto the memory of a poor umpiring decision a year ago.

 

[Rosy]

That's my point of reference too. They Watson copped it for admitting on TV he took AOD and copped it as the figurehead for all the drug taking and shenanigans at EFC.

If it's the same type of mob reaction to Goodes then I don't think they are booing him as a message to all the free kick stagers in the AFL.

I don't think Adam is being booed just because he stages. It probably doesn't make him more likable to opposition supporters just the same. I don't think any player deserves to be booed relentlessly to such an extreme point. The AFL obviously thought Jobe was able to play but they remained silent at his treatment...at least I can't recall them commenting publicly about the bullying.

 

[69 vintage]

With Fox footy promoting the RED round this week are we aloud to boo Roughy this week ?
Maybe the Hawks fans won't boo JACK and Conca will come in to the side to celebrate the RED round .

 

[3121FC]

Whole richmond supporters were booing the umpires last week
Is that racist as well.

 

[TigerForce]

There have been plenty of stagers over the years, most recently Boomer, as well as serial head-duckers like Selwood but they don't get booed.

The booers claim they're not racist, so I can only conclude that they're bogans whose lives are so small that they're hanging onto the memory of a poor umpiring decision a year ago.

Yep, and the alcohol sparks the memory most times. Booing is only worth it when the opposition crowd wants to put a player off when lining up for goal or if he's a previous player (traitor) from their club, but non stop booing is just childish and has to end.

 

[Rosy]

The booers claim they're not racist, so I can only conclude that they're dumb bogans.

Not sure at the need for the personal insults or the need to judge and categorise people but mob mentality is certainly evident in the outer. Mexican waves, booing, calls of Roo or whatever when a certain player goes near the ball etc. People follow the leader and it snowballs.

 

[IanG]

Hi IanG
I think it is bigger now. I think its not about booing even, its about people being told what to do, when you are allowed to do it, and how you should behave.
People like to have some freedom at the footy to express themselves. Some people swear, some people scream, some people cry, some people shake their head, and some people boo.
Players have been booed for decades. Aboriginal players have been booed. Libba got booed. Was Libba booed because he was Italian heritage or because he was a little thug at the end of his career?
Was Jose Romero booed because of his ethnicity or because of the way he carried himself on field? Andrew Jarman, Karl Langdon, Stephen Milne, Chris Lewis, Wayne Carey, Warwick Capper, Mark Jacko Jackson, Peter Matera, David Rhys Jones, Dermott Brereton, Matthew Lloyd, Jobe Watson. The list of players who have been booed is endless. Their backgrounds and ethnicity are endless.
The reasons they were booed are endless also. Maybe some Aboriginal people booed them because they were white?
How do we know?
But I am tipping most people booed these players because of the way they carried themselves on and off the field.
The reason Adam Goodes is booed is no different.

Yeah it is actually, those players have not been booed to the same extent. And if you boo him now with the knowledge that you are providing cover for those who do boo him for racist reasons then............ Not to mention the fact that continuing to do it when you now have full knowledge of how it affects him personally it just shows a lack of empathy. And we get told what to do in all walks of life. Its called being part of a community and having standards of behaviour.

Surely booing an AFL player is not racist? I am a Tigers member and we have a rich indigenous history. Why would I be a member of a club who is part of the fantastic Dreamtime game and be labelled racist because a player I boo has a different skin colour to me?

So you believe the Richmond football club is wrong in their actions, you don't support what they are doing?