Agree with your post sheepman, but i believe he would be better off learning the caper in the AFL against quality opposition in which he gains invaluable experience, than having him man mark hacks in the VFL and learn less.lamb22 said:
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craig said:
I am a Rance fan as well.
IMO has has to play key back and he needs to develop the ability to stop a key forward. His footskills will never allow him to play elsewhere.
To improve his body work and aerial ability he must be played as a key back. If this is not able to done at AFL level he needs to go back to the magoos.
No shame in going back to work on a weakness.
Lets drop Cotchin at the same time, obviously got his colours lowered last week!
For years we have be saying play the youngsters and that is what we should be doing, however!
The however is what Knights did at Essendon and it was talked about on the radio last week.
Essendon played the youngsters (knowing they would probably get beaten) but played 6 forwards, 6 defenders and 6 in the middle of the ground and extensively played man on man. Go and get your own ball and use it to advantage.
This is waht we need to do. You could talk about Rance's kicking (A bit like McGuane first couple of years, which has improved this season) but last Sunday when any tiger in the midfield or defence got the ball, they looked up and if there was one tiger past the Centre Circle they were blessed with options.
Richmond will not learn good footy playing 17 in the back half.
We have to accept some losses now to create a sustainable and game/flag winning game plan of the future.
I was extremely disappointed that Rance was dropped.
For years we have be saying play the youngsters and that is what we should be doing, however!
The however is what Knights did at Essendon and it was talked about on the radio last week.
Essendon played the youngsters (knowing they would probably get beaten) but played 6 forwards, 6 defenders and 6 in the middle of the ground and extensively played man on man. Go and get your own ball and use it to advantage.
This is waht we need to do. You could talk about Rance's kicking (A bit like McGuane first couple of years, which has improved this season) but last Sunday when any tiger in the midfield or defence got the ball, they looked up and if there was one tiger past the Centre Circle they were blessed with options.
Richmond will not learn good footy playing 17 in the back half.
We have to accept some losses now to create a sustainable and game/flag winning game plan of the future.
I was extremely disappointed that Rance was dropped.
Re the Sylvestor/Rance debate.
Rance will be on the list next year, Sylvestor might not - so worth seeing what Sly can do at AFL level. Coburg watchers know Sylvestor is a good VFL full back who might be too slow for AFL and whose ball use has been questionable at times. His use of the ball last week was a pleasant surprise but not what I would expect week in week out - expect more of the brain fades like the one at the end of the second quarter.
Still, it should be noted that at VFL level, when Moore, Mguane, Schulz or Rance played as defenders , Sylvestor still was the go to man on the best tall forward. He is an exclellent negator with good concentration and physical presence. While he may struggle on Franklin or Fevola, not so sure he isn't our best bet on a Treadrea or Minson or Tippett or Hampson or Kruezer or Mooney or Hawkins or Hall or LLoyd or Cloke. In other words he may have some value - we might as well find out now
Re Rance ATM, for mine it is a question of whether Post or Rance plays at this stage and I'm in the Post camp. Young Jayden looks like a very likely CHB and perhaps can become a CHF down the track.
Rance will be on the list next year, Sylvestor might not - so worth seeing what Sly can do at AFL level. Coburg watchers know Sylvestor is a good VFL full back who might be too slow for AFL and whose ball use has been questionable at times. His use of the ball last week was a pleasant surprise but not what I would expect week in week out - expect more of the brain fades like the one at the end of the second quarter.
Still, it should be noted that at VFL level, when Moore, Mguane, Schulz or Rance played as defenders , Sylvestor still was the go to man on the best tall forward. He is an exclellent negator with good concentration and physical presence. While he may struggle on Franklin or Fevola, not so sure he isn't our best bet on a Treadrea or Minson or Tippett or Hampson or Kruezer or Mooney or Hawkins or Hall or LLoyd or Cloke. In other words he may have some value - we might as well find out now
Re Rance ATM, for mine it is a question of whether Post or Rance plays at this stage and I'm in the Post camp. Young Jayden looks like a very likely CHB and perhaps can become a CHF down the track.
Dyer Disciple said:
Living in WA, I keep an eye on what the Eagles are up to on and off the field.
Their supporters are much more patient with younger players than ours I believe. You still get the odd idiot, but in general they are happy to wait and see. That said though, they obviously have a lot more faith in the recruitment of their players than we do, expecting the club has gotten it right and that the kids will develop. That is my impression anyway. Guess when your club is largely successful, you can afford to be patient. I wonder if they would take the same approach if they had our track record over the last 25 years.
I think Eagles fans are much easier placated Streaker cos theyve won 3 flags in 21 years with no false dawns and plenty of September action.
When they do bottom out they do it properly and draft and trade ans more importantly develop properly.
Eagles are much more professional than Tigers have been, its easier for them with all the $$$ they have.
Tigers fans are desperate for some time in the sun, but cameos arent good enuff they hurt the club more than help with 01 testimony to that for the Tigers.
Tigers have to take their medicine properly but coaches and boards have been too scared to do it due to feral fan pressure.
No more quick fixes, time has come to shred 18 to 20 off the list in next 2 years and fair dinkum re build, problem for the tigers is mis management past 5 years has screwed em leaving the club having to re build through the worst possible time with the convoluted drafts.
When they do bottom out they do it properly and draft and trade ans more importantly develop properly.
Eagles are much more professional than Tigers have been, its easier for them with all the $$$ they have.
Tigers fans are desperate for some time in the sun, but cameos arent good enuff they hurt the club more than help with 01 testimony to that for the Tigers.
Tigers have to take their medicine properly but coaches and boards have been too scared to do it due to feral fan pressure.
No more quick fixes, time has come to shred 18 to 20 off the list in next 2 years and fair dinkum re build, problem for the tigers is mis management past 5 years has screwed em leaving the club having to re build through the worst possible time with the convoluted drafts.
Had a good look today with the conclusion that Rance is a dud albeit an athletic and courageous one.
Can't win his own ball, fumbles constantly, doesn't mark the ball, doesn't read the play (pretty important as a backman) and kicks poorly. He'll have to perform miracles to change my view about him. Can't ever see him becoming an elite AFL premiership quality player.
Don't like being negative about players, especially young ones - but he just doesn't look like he'll make it to me. Graham's in the same boat while Post and Vickery (with just a handfull of games) absolutely looks like players with great futures.
They can't all be great and Rance is on the wrong side of the ledger. Will happily be proved wrong - but don't think I will be.
Can't win his own ball, fumbles constantly, doesn't mark the ball, doesn't read the play (pretty important as a backman) and kicks poorly. He'll have to perform miracles to change my view about him. Can't ever see him becoming an elite AFL premiership quality player.
Don't like being negative about players, especially young ones - but he just doesn't look like he'll make it to me. Graham's in the same boat while Post and Vickery (with just a handfull of games) absolutely looks like players with great futures.
They can't all be great and Rance is on the wrong side of the ledger. Will happily be proved wrong - but don't think I will be.
Tigers2011 said:
Give him time mate. He is still a baby. He has more courage in his body than two 3rds of our best 22.
I just posted this in another thread - then saw there was a specific Rance thread.
I see one of Rance's real attributes is also one that causes problems - and that's his enthusiasm.
At times he's just too enthuiastic the way he wants to receive the ball i.e. when he makes leads for the ball from kick-ins or even when he ties to kick it in himself. He also loves to run by the bloke who has taken a mark and calls for a handball. Unfortunately at this stage - he simply doesn't have the skills to then turn that possession into something better.
Hopefully that will come in time.
At least he has the confidence to try these things I suppose.
I see one of Rance's real attributes is also one that causes problems - and that's his enthusiasm.
At times he's just too enthuiastic the way he wants to receive the ball i.e. when he makes leads for the ball from kick-ins or even when he ties to kick it in himself. He also loves to run by the bloke who has taken a mark and calls for a handball. Unfortunately at this stage - he simply doesn't have the skills to then turn that possession into something better.
Hopefully that will come in time.
At least he has the confidence to try these things I suppose.
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Fumbles, panics, runs around in circles with the ball, falls over too often and is shoddy by foot and hand.
This ox has run out of patience. The age of a player doesn't really cut it with me. The footy doesn't know the age of the bloke winning and then using it.
I understand he's young - just don't think he's good enough to make it at this level. In all the games he's played so far, I can't think of one outstanding mark, difficult kick well executed under pressure, gather a bouncing ball in tight position etc. Fair enough he knocked himself out against Brisbane in a courageous attack on the ball, but we need players with ball winning ability and skill.
Like I said, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
I understand he's young - just don't think he's good enough to make it at this level. In all the games he's played so far, I can't think of one outstanding mark, difficult kick well executed under pressure, gather a bouncing ball in tight position etc. Fair enough he knocked himself out against Brisbane in a courageous attack on the ball, but we need players with ball winning ability and skill.
Like I said, I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
