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Tigerbob said:
Ridiculous as you may thing, I still see many similarities between him and jake. Both have everything but a decent kick.
GoodOne said:
True, but then again you try playing footy again after snapping your tibia and having it burst through the skin !
Jason King said:
Jake King lacks a hell of a lot. How can you possibly say Jake King has everything but a decent kick? He lacks size, smarts, decision making, versatility to go along with kicking.....
Rance at least has those attributes, with question marks over decision making and kicking.
Jason King said:
Good effort but nonetheless was never gonna make it, because of the reasons mentioned previously.
Tigermad2005 said:
Agree, but he is still young and no doubt needs to improve his kicking, the kids got guts, now he needs to work on his skills.
Have no problem in swapping Rance for Post.
I hope Rance goes back and plays in a key defensive spot. It would be ideal if he could take on the best tall.
He has the run, he needs to develop the ability to shut down a dangerous oponent.
We need him to be able to do it at AFL level so it makes sense for him get the confidence for it at a lower level.
I hope Rance goes back and plays in a key defensive spot. It would be ideal if he could take on the best tall.
He has the run, he needs to develop the ability to shut down a dangerous oponent.
We need him to be able to do it at AFL level so it makes sense for him get the confidence for it at a lower level.
Are there any players most of you blokes like? There are not many people on an AFL list who are hte perfect footballer that do not have sort of deficiency, especially when young.
Very harsh on Rance in his second year and has shown something for a young fella trying ot make his way. Far out. They are not all going to be perfect footballers. Hardly any are.
Very harsh on Rance in his second year and has shown something for a young fella trying ot make his way. Far out. They are not all going to be perfect footballers. Hardly any are.
No big deal for Rance. Hard to argue he wasn't toweled up by a couple of quality opponents on the weekend. Good education but timely for him to go back to the burg and get some confidence. Bring him back again in a week or two. Well done Jade the Blade.
IanG said:
Exactly - doubt if had much previous experience in the midfield.
How many tall defenders can you play in one team.
Silvester coming in pushed hime into the midfield
shawry said:
I do wonder about this sometimes.
These kids must hate it when their names are called out on Draft Day by the Richmond table.
We expect them to be superstars before they get a game and by the time they've played ten, we can't get past their faults. Can't kick, makes bad decisions, too slow, too light, hasn't developed fast enough, too short to play whatever position we would prefer him to play that he is too short for, whatever.
They go from heroes to zeroes in a season and know that it'll take them five years to erase the memeory of that mistake they made in their third game.
They must fee like all their Christmases have come at once but its the stingy maiden aunt's turn to host Christmas.
Bizzare selection for mine. We have left a 24 year old with limited development over a youngster that needs game time and experience playing on the tall forwards. Rance should be in the side for Sylvester full stop. The rest of the year is about developing the young guys and not giving token games to blokes who do well in the VFL because that is exactly what they are, VFL players.
TOT70 said:
Is any team, or more specifically, their supporters different? (Genuine question I wouldn't know I rarely go to other sites)
Pro's and con's to everything, another angle you could look at it, is at least our supporters care. It's why we have great attendances still despite being crap for so long. Our supporters are fiercely passionate, rightly or wrongly .
I'd rather supporters who cared over ones who are detached or disinterested.
Dyer Disciple said:
Sort of agree with you DD, but some of the posted diarrhea that points to certain players, coaches, admin, basically the club in general you should not mark down as from passionate supporters. There is the "freedom of speech" aspect, but what happened in the old days without forums? Supporters would meet at the game, at someone's place, in the carpark wherever and would verbally bucket the same people they're writing about now. The difference is that the masses would never hear the abuse, just a few.
Yes our expectations are probably higher and more demanding than most clubs because of our hugely disappointing last 30 years, and the club can think itself fortunate that it still has a massive membership and supporter base, (which would only be bigger with sustained success)but IMO, that does not by default give some supporters the right to basically vilify anyone relentlessly like some do.
As Shawry posted, there are few "perfect" footballers, most have some deficiencies in some areas and some can be improved, some can't, but their positive attributes outweigh their negative ones. That's life.
Perhaps when we can be a perfect supporter base with no flaws, then we can demand perfect footballers.
Tigerhart04 said:Sort of agree with you DD, but some of the posted diarrhea that points to certain players, coaches, admin, basically the club in general you should not mark down as from passionate supporters. There is the "freedom of speech" aspect, but what happened in the old days without forums? Supporters would meet at the game, at someone's place, in the carpark wherever and would verbally bucket the same people they're writing about now. The difference is that the masses would never hear the abuse, just a few.
Yes our expectations are probably higher and more demanding than most clubs because of our hugely disappointing last 30 years, and the club can think itself fortunate that it still has a massive membership and supporter base, (which would only be bigger with sustained success)but IMO, that does not by default give some supporters the right to basically vilify anyone relentlessly like some do.
As Shawry posted, there are few "perfect" footballers, most have some deficiencies in some areas and some can be improved, some can't, but their positive attributes outweigh their negative ones. That's life.
Perhaps when we can be a perfect supporter base with no flaws, then we can demand perfect footballers.
Sort of agree with you also, there is certainly a fine line.
However the only type of supporters that are truly unacceptable in my mind, are a true minority.
Being openminded and tolerant goes both ways and the fact is, if you create any forum, whether it be in a carpark, community hall or online, you will get not only a wide variety of views but have those views portrayed in a even wider variety of ways.
Sites like these always have big pros and cons, of which I think the pro's ALWAYS outweighs the con's when they are well managed, but the sheer fact of the manner is no club likes to align itself with any forum because of the nature of the beast in the way humans interact and the freedom they have to do in such, especially online.
The people with balanced views or half a brain are soon able to sort out the over the top or non substance posters from the ones who actually have some substance or balanced view point to what they say.
These trials of communication are part of the common everyday life now thanks to the internet, and it is a issue all professional sports and the entertainment industry have to accept now.
I try not to see things in black and white and while there might be some people who I might consider out of line or over the top, at the end of the day I see them as on here because they do care. They might over react, they might be ill informed, they might be too narrow minded or to far removed to know the truth and ill advised to speak as they do. However they do have the right to share that view as long as within the rules of the site and it does come deep down from people who generally care about the club, even if they communicate such poorly.
There would be a very small minority on here who don't care about the club and just come online to :stir, and they are not too hard to identify, most ignore them for the most part from what I have seen.
You will always get armchair experts online, most know to take what they read online with a grain of salt and if they are regulars soon come to know the posters or type of posts that have some insight or balanced views, whether they be right or wrong.
The main thing with these type of sites is to not take them so seriously, you will always get keyboard avengers (credit to TOT70 for that term, love it) and armchair experts but there is a fine line between that and some people who are sometimes more realistic or discerning than the average fan who haven't got an appreciation or understanding for the technical side of something (for instance footy skills).
Personally, people who rave they want to burn March and the Board at the stake on here without much justification, I pay as much attention to as I do the loonies waking the street having arguments with street poles. ;D
Rance is a kid in his second year with lots of good attributes. Good size speed athleticism, courage and work ethic.
As with all young kids with potential we should give them an opportunity to develop.
However having seen a bit of him at Coburg and Richmond he doesn't realy play as a tall. Can spoil effectively on occassion but not a big mark taker. Also gets outbodied and outthought by some pedestrian big fellas at VFL level. Can also get lost a bit and can get turned around or inside out by a thinking forward. He was cruelly exposed for smarts by some quality footballers in Dal Santo and Goddard
To me he is just a more athletic, bigger Kellaway (x2) although without the defensive smarts. Perhaps a more apt description is a faster more athletic Jason Cloke. He apparantly prides himself on his nick name of 'one pace" but sometines you've got to think through a situation rather than using the bull at a gate approach at all times (refer malcolm turnbull).
Problem Rance has got is "Is he a genuine key back who can stop a key forward?" or "is he a running attacking half back? He hasn't shown much in the first criterion and his disposal and decsion making need to improve if he is going to fulfill the second criterion.
As another poster said above, I would play him at CHB at Coburg and get him to learn the ropes there. Should be encouraged with games at top level if his form warrants but more than happy with Post in his place who has already demonstrated he can play tall at junior and VFL level.
As with all young kids with potential we should give them an opportunity to develop.
However having seen a bit of him at Coburg and Richmond he doesn't realy play as a tall. Can spoil effectively on occassion but not a big mark taker. Also gets outbodied and outthought by some pedestrian big fellas at VFL level. Can also get lost a bit and can get turned around or inside out by a thinking forward. He was cruelly exposed for smarts by some quality footballers in Dal Santo and Goddard
To me he is just a more athletic, bigger Kellaway (x2) although without the defensive smarts. Perhaps a more apt description is a faster more athletic Jason Cloke. He apparantly prides himself on his nick name of 'one pace" but sometines you've got to think through a situation rather than using the bull at a gate approach at all times (refer malcolm turnbull).
Problem Rance has got is "Is he a genuine key back who can stop a key forward?" or "is he a running attacking half back? He hasn't shown much in the first criterion and his disposal and decsion making need to improve if he is going to fulfill the second criterion.
As another poster said above, I would play him at CHB at Coburg and get him to learn the ropes there. Should be encouraged with games at top level if his form warrants but more than happy with Post in his place who has already demonstrated he can play tall at junior and VFL level.
