Political correctness & other nonsensical rubbish

[Liverpool]

My view is that "normal" exists only within an individuals head. One persons definition of normal can be completely different to another's definition of "normal". Therefore, the definition of normal is as varied as there are humans. In the interests of living together on the same planet, we, as individuals must sometimes attempt to see things from another's point of view in order to come to a compromise.

Well, I disagree.
I think "normal" is what commonly occurs the majority of the time.
And there is no compromise to that because you can back up claims of what is normal by looking at facts and figures....does homosexuality normally happen? How many homosexuals exist compared to heterosexuals?
That should tell you which one is normal and which one isn't.

Nature is exactly as I put it, everything that is. You're right that it's not natural for homosexuals to breed, but that's not the point here. Homosexuals exist (I don't mean to degrade any homosexuals who may be reading this) and therefore they are part of nature, intended or not, just like everyone else.

But that is the point 1-eyed.
The biological reason of sex is to breed...that is nature's mechanism for the human race to continue....and therefore that is 'natural'.
While homosexuals may exist naturally due to a minority trait of some kind.....the sexual act between them is unnatural.

 

[1eyedtiger]

Well, I disagree.
I think "normal" is what commonly occurs the majority of the time.
And there is no compromise to that because you can back up claims of what is normal by looking at facts and figures....does homosexually normally happen? How many homosexuals exist compared to heterosexuals?
That should tell you which one is normal and which one isn't.

Leaving the "nature" side of things for the moment. The majority, 50% or more, am I right? I'm left handed, occurs in approximately 10% of the population.

Am I not normal?

Where do you draw the line?

 

[Liverpool]

Leaving the "nature" side of things for the moment. The majority, 50% or more, am I right? I'm left handed, occurs in approximately 10% of the population.
Am I not normal?
Where do you draw the line?

No.....most people are right-handed.

 

[1eyedtiger]

Well,

Here you have it, ALL left handed people are NOT normal. Not in your view anyway, Livers. As far as I'm concerned, left handedness is a normal, natural occurrence.

Liberal voters don't happen to be in the majority either at the moment, so welcome to the "not normal" world!

 

[Tiger74]

Lets be blunt. Everyone thinks "normal" is like them.

This explains Liverpool's version of normal, and why its different to everyone elses :rofl

 

[Six Pack]

Livers, why do yo u have this 'what people do in their own bedrooms is ok' sort of stance? Do you find public affection and expressions of love to be socially inappropriate?

 

[Liverpool]

Well,
Here you have it, ALL left handed people are NOT normal. Not in your view anyway, Livers. As far as I'm concerned, left handedness is a normal, natural occurrence.
Liberal voters don't happen to be in the majority either at the moment, so welcome to the "not normal" world!

Voting is a CHOICE though made from agendas, influences, morals, values, and opinions.......being left-handed wasn't a conserted choice by you as a child, was it?

Livers, why do yo u have this 'what people do in their own bedrooms is ok' sort of stance?

I thought this would be a no-brainer....
What people do in their own bedrooms is nothing to do with anyone else.
That is why I take that stance.

Do you find public affection and expressions of love to be socially inappropriate?

Again, I do not care...that is other people's business.
Some couple's like to hold hands, etc....some couples don't.

 

[Six Pack]

so a gay couple kissing in public arent really pushing their lifestyle at u then?

 

[Liverpool]

so a gay couple kissing in public arent really pushing their lifestyle at u then?

I couldn't care less Sixpack....that is their business.

 

[Six Pack]

well i am pleased to hear that. We can extend yr position of what people do in their bedroom to what they do in public is their business!

 

[Liverpool]

well i am pleased to hear that. We can extend yr position of what people do in their bedroom to what they do in public is their business!

And the key words are "their business".....so why don't people leave it at that and get on with it....without trying to push agendas and their own moralistic views onto people with the "homosexuals are natural and normal and if you say they aren't then you're a bigot" lines.
Live and let live. I'm not banning them from having sex with other blokes....I'm not calling for them to be beheaded or burnt at the stake....so why don't they just leave people alone with their unnatural act and get on with it?

 

[1eyedtiger]

Voting is a CHOICE though made from agendas, influences, morals, values, and opinions.......being left-handed wasn't a conserted choice by you as a child, was it?

Your choice is obviously abnormal since it was not what the majority choose.

I for one resent being called abnormal simply because I am left handed. Being left handed is completely normal and completely natural. After all, I was born this way. How could it be anything other than natural?

Getting back to the issue, do you think that heterosexuals are at least partly to blame for the perception that gays are pushing their lifestyle onto others? My thinking is that if gays were allowed to get married and had equal rights like everyone else and were more accepted in the general community, there would be no need for them to fight for equality and acceptance in the first place.

I think the big issue with gay marriages is that family court judges would be a confused lot by not having any particular party to screw over or side with.

 

[Six Pack]

And the key words are "their business".....so why don't people leave it at that and get on with it....without trying to push agendas and their own moralistic views onto people with the "homosexuals are natural and normal and if you say they aren't then you're a bigot" lines.
Live and let live. I'm not banning them from having sex with other blokes....I'm not calling for them to be beheaded or burnt at the stake....so why don't they just leave people alone with their unnatural act and get on with it?

sometimes i find u sickening, Livers, and that last post is one of those times.

 

[Liverpool]

Your choice is obviously abnormal since it was not what the majority choose.

Yes, that is true.

I for one resent being called abnormal simply because I am left handed. Being left handed is completely normal and completely natural. After all, I was born this way. How could it be anything other than natural?

Now you're trying to cross 'normal' with 'natural'.
I totally agree with you that you are naturally left-handed...just like some people are naturally born as having a gene that makes them feel attracted to other men.
However, are both 'normal'....if normality is the common, the majority, and the usual thing that happens?

Getting back to the issue, do you think that heterosexuals are at least partly to blame for the perception that gays are pushing their lifestyle onto others? My thinking is that if gays were allowed to get married and had equal rights like everyone else and were more accepted in the general community, there would be no need for them to fight for equality and acceptance in the first place.

Yes, I do think heterosexuals are partly to blame.
You only need to read the views of some of the heterosexuals on this thread who try to change facts, figures, and mother nature itself by letting their own morals, views, and agendas cloud their logic.

And they fight for equality because if they were equal, then they would already be equal....there would be no need to fight, would there?
They are not equal with a man/woman union and therefore they do not deserve the same rights when it comes to marriage or child-adoption.
If they are equal, then why don't they produce their own child?
Oh thats right...they can't.....and people want to claim they are equal as a heterosexual union?
Please!

 

[Liverpool]

sometimes i find u sickening, Livers, and that last post is one of those times.

Well, I guess you now know how I feel when people try to tell me that a man having sex with another bloke is normal and natural.....welcome to my world! :hihi

 

[Six Pack]

You need to get out of your closed up, sad and pathetic, little world and try living in the real world.

 

[1eyedtiger]

And they fight for equality because if they were equal, then they would already be equal....there would be no need to fight, would there?
They are not equal with a man/woman union and therefore they do not deserve the same rights when it comes to marriage or child-adoption.
If they are equal, then why don't they produce their own child?
Oh thats right...they can't.....and people want to claim they are equal as a heterosexual union?
Please!

Maybe they fight because they have unjustly treated and labeled as inferior.

Do you consider women to be your equal? What about aborigines? Both these groups have had to fight for equally in the past and in some cases, the fight continues. Some groups are not afforded equal rights as a result of bigotry and discrimination by those with more power.

I thought you were in favor of everyone having the same rights. What's the problem with gays getting married anyway? Who really cares? Let them get married and let the family court distribute their assets when it all goes wrong just like everyone else.

Marriage isn't just about having kids. Heterosexual couples are capable of having kids married or not and there are plenty of heterosexual couples who choose not to have kids. What about those who for some reason are infertile. Are they less equal than the rest of us?

 

[Liverpool]

You need to get out of your closed up, sad and pathetic, little world and try living in the real world.

:hihi...well, I don't think there is any need for personal abuse now.
Anyway, what exactly did you find so "sickening" in that post? :don't know

And the key words are "their business".....so why don't people leave it at that and get on with it....without trying to push agendas and their own moralistic views onto people with the "homosexuals are natural and normal and if you say they aren't then you're a bigot" lines.
Live and let live. I'm not banning them from having sex with other blokes....I'm not calling for them to be beheaded or burnt at the stake....so why don't they just leave people alone with their unnatural act and get on with it?

I think it is quite a reasonable response.

 

[Six Pack]

What i find disgusting about you Livers is encapsulated in that post.

Read it again.


You try and come across as all reasonable and liberal, and then you have a final crack at gays for being unnatural and abnormal.

It's sickening.

 

[Liverpool]

Do you consider women to be your equal? What about aborigines? Both these groups have had to fight for equally in the past and in some cases, the fight continues. Some groups are not afforded equal rights as a result of bigotry and discrimination by those with more power.

I think if you read the many posts I have written on the "racial tolerance" thread, you will find that I am one of the very few posters who has called for EQUAL rights for Aborigines. Not hand-outs and disproportionate benefits aimed at one race over another....equality across the board, not just when it suits an agenda.

As for women.....by all means, treat them equally. If men play 5 sets of tennis and get paid $1-million, then women should get paid $1-million when they play 5 sets as well. If women want to join 'men only' clubs then lets open the doors of Fernwood 'womens only' gyms to men. If women want to joint he police, by all means, treat their entrance tests the same as men so we pick the right candidates, don't just pick women for the sake of keeping the numbers equal or to appease and aganda.
Again, equal rights across the board...not just when it suits an agenda.

I thought you were in favor of everyone having the same rights. What's the problem with gays getting married anyway? Who really cares? Let them get married and let the family court distribute their assets when it all goes wrong just like everyone else.

And that is the problem 1-eyed with society....."who cares".
By allowing homosexuals to be on the same level as heterosexuals when it comes to marriage is devaluing traditional marriage....you are promoting that a homosexual marriage is equal with a heterosexual marriage, when it is not.
The main basis that differentiates homosexuals from heterosexuals is that of what gender the partner is.....and if marriage is the natural union between a man and a woman, no matter the culture, the country, or the religion....then how can a homosexual marriage be natural as well?

Marriage isn't just about having kids. Heterosexual couples are capable of having kids married or not and there are plenty of heterosexual couples who choose not to have kids. What about those who for some reason are infertile. Are they less equal than the rest of us?

The key word you used was "CHOOSE".....homosexuals have no choice.
Again, it comes back to...what did nature intend with the male anatomy?
And if nature didn't intend men to have sex with other men....then isn't that where the term "unnatural act" comes into play?

As for infertile couples...it is still a man/woman union, isn't it?