Political correctness & other nonsensical rubbish

[hutstar]

Everything i have read here reeks of bottom feeder talk. Muslims, women; whatever. If you are a substandard person you will be threatened by those who compete with you. History is littered with examples where the most bigoted are those most threatened.
Get over it.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Puddles posted earlier that a female cop would run from a criminal. Or similar. So the assertion was that the women lacked courage not strength.

Then by way of proving this case he offered an anecdote about his cousin or penfriend or something. In this story the woman locks herself in the car proving that women lack courage and are not suited to police work.

I guess the most inflammatory thing about the posts is that they rely on the premise "women lack courage" and of course, the way they're supported.

They amount IMO to disinformation.

Liverpool is free to post the stuff and those who are offended are free to pillory him. Isn't that fair?

As for poor defenceless Liverpool needing justice well... talk about bleeding hearts.

 

[Rosy]

I read it all and missed that part. I thought the gist of livers' arguments was that he was concerned that the physically weaker sex wouldn't be able to do as good a job as being a policeperson as the physically weaker sex. Pretty basic really, and surely he is right to at least some degree.

How can you possibly read that into this comment that started the discussion about Livers' attitude towards female police?

Criminals must laugh when they have an old fart chase them down the road run out of puff...and a sheila who if he said 'boo' to would cry and run the other way.... :-[

You are spot on Dyer. I reckon Livers' comment is very ordinary, and certainly nothing like reality, but I don't question his right to think that way. I also don't know why anyone would think others shouldn't comment. Isn't this a forum for discussion of opinions?

The comment from Livers above is the only one I was referring too in my posts and it has nothing to do with anyone being the physically weaker sex .

 

[Six Pack]

I don't see any reason why anyone who isn't a Muslim should like them. They believe that anyone who isn't a Muslim is an infidel and should be slaughtered. I resent the fact that they think they have the right to kill me just because I don't believe the same things they do.

Personally, I think we should a Muslim rally at the MCG, lock the gates and deport every last one of them..

This isn't being racist. This is self preservation. They just can't accept others outside their religion. They will not integrate with mainstream society in this country and I believe that multiculturalism simply cannot exist.

Unfortunately, it seems that all religions go through a stage where they believe that they can physically force people into accepting their faith.

Sorry, back to the war of the sexes..................................

yr casting a pretty wide net there, mate. That's a massive racial/religious generalisation. yr logic is that because one muslim wants to kill an infidel that means that they all do.

 

[mld]

Unfortunately, it seems that all religions go through a stage where they believe that they can physically force people into accepting their faith.

Why single out muslims then? Clearly all religions are ticking bombs, we need to deport all religious people.

 

[1eyedtiger]

Why single out muslims then? Clearly all religions are ticking bombs, we need to deport all religious people.

I'm not singling out Muslims. I believe that any religious group that threatens others should be removed. Only then will we have peace.

For instance, I was disgusted at recent comments made by the Israeli government that Palestinians would suffer their own "holocaust" if they did not stop suicide bombers. How can the Jewish, who have been crying poor over what Hitler did to them over half a century ago, turn around and threaten another group with the same fate?

yr casting a pretty wide net there, mate. That's a massive racial/religious generalisation. yr logic is that because one muslim wants to kill an infidel that means that they all do.

Maybe not, but despite Muslims only making up a small percentage of the Australian population, they are already calling out for Australia to become an Islamic super state. They believe that once they become the majority, they have the right to take over. Once this happens, mainstream or moderate Muslims (who don't exist according to the Islamic extremists) will come to the party.

In any case, it only takes a few extremists to turn this country into the new Iraq.

Just for the record, I try to treat everyone equally regardless of race or religion. I'm not the one who is bigoted here. It is those who do discriminate on the basis of race or religion who are bigoted.

But it would considered bigoted of me to say that, wouldn't it?

 

[Six Pack]

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Just for the record, I try to treat everyone equally regardless of race or religion. I'm not the one who is bigoted here. It is those who do discriminate on the basis of race or religion who are bigoted.

But earlier you said all muslims want to kill us all?

 

[evo]

Puddles posted earlier that a female cop would run from a criminal. Or similar. So the assertion was that the women lacked courage not strength.

Jack;Have you read any Cammille Paglia?Not a bad thinker actually-kinda crazy, but brave.

 

[1eyedtiger]

But earlier you said all muslims want to kill us all?

It's in their religion. At least, that's what Islamic leaders keep telling everyone.

Once again, it's been made out that I'm singling out the Muslims.

I'm not against Muslims because of their faith. I'm against them because they pose a risk to my way of life. Same goes to anyone else.

If Muslims ever form a majority in this country, what do you think will happen?

 

[Six Pack]

So you feel threatened by all muslims. Thats a shame, 1eyed. Theres some really good muslims in our communities.

 

[1eyedtiger]

You're right, it is a shame but you haven't answered my question.

If Muslims became majority in this country (like they have in other countries), do you think the good Muslims in our community will step up and defend the rights of non Muslims?

Despite this being a Christian country, Muslims have the same rights as everyone else and are protected by the same laws as everyone else. Do Islamic countries treat non Muslims in the same manner?

I do believe there are good Muslims, but I also believe that Islam is a religion driven by and controlled by extremists. Unfortunately, good people are going to be caught in the crossfire.

I find it disturbing that recently Muslims were complaining about innocent Muslins being killed, but at the same time, a Muslim cleric says that the killing of innocent westerners in order to get to actual targets was justified.

 

[Six Pack]

You're right, it is a shame but you haven't answered my question.

If Muslims became majority in this country (like they have in other countries), do you think the good Muslims in our community will step up and defend the rights of non Muslims?

Despite this being a Christian country, Muslims have the same rights as everyone else and are protected by the same laws as everyone else. Do Islamic countries treat non Muslims in the same manner?

I do believe there are good Muslims, but I also believe that Islam is a religion driven by and controlled by extremists. Unfortunately, good people are going to be caught in the crossfire.

I find it disturbing that recently Muslims were complaining about innocent Muslins being killed, but at the same time, a Muslim cleric says that the killing of innocent westerners in order to get to actual targets was justified.

I disagree that we are a 'christian country,' but i know what u mean. I didnt anwer yr question about australia becoming a 'muslim country,' because i dont think it is likely to happen.

 

[Liverpool]

what physically?
Is that what he's copping grief for?

Evo,
In brief, this is what my opinion is and what I have stated:

* I think entrance standards should not be lowered to accommodate women (or anyone else for that matter)
* That women should by all means compete for any job they wish on an even playing field
* That the BEST PERSON for the job be hired....regardless of gender, race, or religion
* That the police should not hire people to suit agendas or quotas and that they should hire whoever is the best person for the job, regardless of gender, race, or religion.

How is what I have said having a problem with women???

It is simply urging the police NOT to go down a path of mediocrity and to choose the best candidates on offer.


...and unbelievable that I am copping such flak from posters who class themselves advocates of farirness and equality...yeah, right

I read it all and missed that part. I thought the gist of livers' arguments was that he was concerned that the physically weaker sex wouldn't be able to do as good a job as being a policeperson as the physically weaker sex. Pretty basic really, and surely he is right to at least some degree.

Thanks JB03....at last someone who seems to understand the mind of Liverpool without getting themselves into some "anti-Liverpool fervour" frothing at the mouth no matter what logical argument I post. As you said in your post....pretty basic stuff, but again my arguments for equality seems to cop a lot of criticism from certain posters on here.

Just for the record, I try to treat everyone equally regardless of race or religion. I'm not the one who is bigoted here. It is those who do discriminate on the basis of race or religion who are bigoted.

I think that is where you (and I) make the mistake 1-eyed.
We do want people to be treated equally under the same rules and laws.....and for people to be treated on their merits, regardless of race, religion, and gender.
For the police to lower standards so more women can pass the physical demands of the role is the start of creating a mediocre police force. What next....lower written examinations and English standards to attract immigrants to the Force? lower computer skill requirements to attract older generation people into the Force?
In the end we end up with a lower quality of officer....but a large quantity of mediocre officers.
For people on here to support such "initiatives" really makes me wonder what type of police force they want in future protecting this community......and to top it off, they are supporting rules changing to suit a gender or minority, yet these posters are the ones to jump up and down and say they support equality!
Liek you said mate...it is people who discriminate on the basis of race, religion, and gender....who are the ones who are bigoted....NOT the posters on here who want people to be recruited ON THEIR MERITS.

 

[evo]

Social engineers everywhere these days,Scous.I've given up worrying about it.


On the subject of political correctness;

A couple of weeks ago I got my infopack welcoming me as a new uni student.There was a booklet,normal kind of stuff,how to write essays,be careful of plagarisim and so forth.What assessors expect basically.

At the back of this booklet there was 8 pages on the do's and don'ts when writing essays and discussing stuff with lecturers in regard to sex.This is a degree in philosophy BTW(supposedly the last bastion of free-thought)

For 8 pages they proceeded to tell me words I wasn't allowed to use:Such heinous crimes would be frowned upon, and marked against if appearing in submissions:

Alderman
Mankind
Draftsman
founding fathers
manning(the desk)
one-man(operation)
housewife
actress
workmanship.....and so forth.Pages and pages of this stuff.

also various pro nouns were unacceptable.I could go on.

This probably comes as no shock to people involved as offices workers etc. but it came as a bit of a shock to me.

So much for freedom of expression, I guess.Doesn't really matter what you think in philosophy these days it seems,but how you say it.

I doubt Nietzche,Kant or Socrates would get a degree in the 21st century.

 

[Tiger74]

That is odd, just a sign of a bored admin official trying to change the world. Thankfully they are locked up in a uni where no-one (including the students) will pay any attention to them.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Social engineers everywhere these days,Scous.I've given up worrying about it.

Why not consider the world from that of a sceptic?

What is true, evo? The blind views of those with an investment in the status quo?

Or is there a fresher view to consider?

Wotcha got?

Or is sceticism a token idea? Do the nazis really deserve so much protection, what with them qualifying as polemicists, and all?

Just because a philosopher is a polemicist doesn't mean I can't belt them, surely? And because I welcome a wide range of views does it follow that I don't slap the bearers?

I welcome the views of nazis. It helps me idientify my enemies.

 

[Rosy]

Evo,
In brief, this is what my opinion is and what I have stated:

* I think entrance standards should not be lowered to accommodate women (or anyone else for that matter)
* That women should by all means compete for any job they wish on an even playing field
* That the BEST PERSON for the job be hired....regardless of gender, race, or religion
* That the police should not hire people to suit agendas or quotas and that they should hire whoever is the best person for the job, regardless of gender, race, or religion.

How is what I have said having a problem with women???

Why did you leave out your original comment against more women in the force? Your post clearly inferred that female police aren't up to it because they'd burst into tears and run away and that the hiring of them is the kind of reason is why people have no respect for and treat the law with contempt.

Here is your original post on the topic again. Not one mention of equality, or best for the job. I think it clearly shows an issue with women police at least, and it is the only one of your comments I was referring to.

Criminals must laugh when they have an old fart chase them down the road run out of puff...and a sheila who if he said 'boo' to would cry and run the other way.... :-[
No wonder people (especially the younger generation) have no respect for the law anymore and treat it with contempt.


Cop size doesn't matter - Nixon
March 12, 2008 01:25pm
POLICE chief Christine Nixon has denied politically correct zealots are making a mockery of recruitment, insisting size and age does not matter.
Ms Nixon was responding to a Herald Sun report revealing fit young men are being denied entry to Victoria Police while the force recruits more women and people approaching retirement age.
Ms Nixon said past height and age barriers to entering the force were outdated and had unfairly blocked talented candidates.
She said police used their brains, capsicum spray and batons in brawls and other confrontations, not their size, age or gender.
"It's about the way you go about your work, the way you deal with people, the way you interact, your confidence in yourself,'' Ms Nixon said.
A 142cm woman, a 61-year-old man and two men in their late 50s are among the 157 recruits now in training.
The recruiting policy was yesterday described by one serving policeman as "political correctness gone mad".
The Opposition and the Police Association also challenged the policy.
Police command defended the system, saying the force could not legally refuse any applicant on the grounds of age, gender or height.
But some qualified male applicants have waited two years after sitting the police entrance exam and still don't know if they will be accepted.
One would-be recruit told the Herald Sun he had been told by police friends his position on the training academy's waiting list fluctuated each month "depending how many women have applied".
Russell Dickson, 24, is 188cm, has a university business degree, works out almost every day and passed the force's entrance exam in March 2006.
He has a female friend who is 157cm, struggled to complete year 10 and applied to join the force a year later.
She started training at the academy last month.
"I know she didn't do as well on some of the tests as I did, but none of that seems to matter," Mr Dickson said.
More women than men graduated from the police training academy for the first time in 2007. Police figures show that 33 per cent of last year's 1098 applicants were women.
Almost 52 per cent of the 316 recruits who graduated during the year were women.
The number of women in the 11,250-strong police force has jumped from 15 per cent to almost 23 per cent in the seven years since Christine Nixon became the first female chief commissioner.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23359572-2862,00.html?from=public_rss

 

[evo]

Just because a philosopher is a polemicist doesn't mean I can't belt them, surely?

Of course.

All's fair in love and debate.

 

[mld]

Why did you leave out your original comment against more women in the force? Your post clearly inferred that female police aren't up to it because they'd burst into tears and run away and that the hiring of them is the kind of reason is why people have no respect for and treat the law with contempt.

Here is your original post on the topic again. Not one mention of equality, or best for the job. I think it clearly shows an issue with women police at least, and it is the only one of your comments I was referring to.

That's the standard Liverpool strategy. He takes a defensible standpoint, weaves some misogyny into it to wind people up, then hides behind the defensible part when people call him on it.

 

[evo]

That's the standard Liverpool strategy. He takes a defensible standpoint, weaves some misogyny into it to wind people up, then hides behind the defensible part when people call him on it.

Scous has some pretty interesting tactics, that being one.The other being he swamps the opponent with appeals to authority,mainly through news articles.

He's actually a bit of an intruiging study.