Political correctness & other nonsensical rubbish

[Six Pack]

nah, i stand by it. Sexism and probably a bit of mysoginism as well.

you have proved time and time again that yr a card carrying WASP of the male variety.

 

[Tiger74]

Actually Liv I recall some cop recently saying the majority of crimes are now solved behind a desk, thanks to the evolution of IT, databases, and forensic research. Don't know how true this is, but food for thought.

The only thing I have to back it up was I had a mate who had a friend in forensic work, and they are in boom days right now. Between DNA records and crime scene investigations, their role is in demand like never before.

 

[Liverpool]

Actually Liv I recall some cop recently saying the majority of crimes are now solved behind a desk, thanks to the evolution of IT, databases, and forensic research. Don't know how true this is, but food for thought.
The only thing I have to back it up was I had a mate who had a friend in forensic work, and they are in boom days right now. Between DNA records and crime scene investigations, their role is in demand like never before.

Like I said Tiger74.....and I'll say it again....pick the BEST person for the job....do NOT go out there and hire women or minority groups into the Force to suit a political correct agenda or quota.

If sitting behind a desk filling out paperwork has a vacancy and the best applicant with the best credentials is a female that is 5-foot nothing, then give her the job...if it is a 18-25 years of age male...give it to him...if it is an Asian with one leg...give it to him.
The way for the police (and any organisation) to be successful is to hire the best people they can...not be forced into hiring lower skilled people to appease quotas and agendas.
This is my main complaint.

nah, i stand by it. Sexism and probably a bit of mysoginism as well.
you have proved time and time again that yr a card carrying WASP of the male variety.

How can asking for the police to hire the best person for the job be classed as 'sexist'? :
Look up what 'sexist' is in your dictionary then come back on here when you have a clue...

 

[Six Pack]

and how can women be a minority group? look that up in yr funk and wagnells too!

 

[Dyer'ere]

Like I stated...hiring women to appease an agenda is simply wrong...

Sure but who says that's what's happening in the police force?

What happened is that the physical strength/size requirements were lowered, wasn't it?

This meant that a larger sample of prospective recruits became available. Therefore a higher standard of recruit became available in every area except physical strength/size. This reasoning is not controversial is it?

 

[Rosy]

...and a sheila who if he said 'boo' to would cry and run the other way.... :-[

Care to explain the above comment Livers?

 

[Six Pack]

Care to explain the above comment Livers?

Let me, if I may? What he is saying is that the man is the superior sex in every way and that women should stay home, barefoot and pregnant, cooking and cleaning for their fella.

How dare they try to compete with men for jobs that belong to men!!!

 

[Liverpool]

and how can women be a minority group? look that up in yr funk and wagnells too!

Who said anything about women being a minority group?
There shouldn't be "recruitment quotas"...simple as that.....or do you support discrimination in recruiting people, where the best person for the role is overlooked in favour of someone of gender, race, or religion?

Sure but who says that's what's happening in the police force?
What happened is that the physical strength/size requirements were lowered, wasn't it?
This meant that a larger sample of prospective recruits became available. Therefore a higher standard of recruit became available in every area except physical strength/size. This reasoning is not controversial is it?

If you are lowering testing and lowering standards, then you simply are going to recruit a lower standard of candidate.....leading to the police becoming more mediocre as time goes by.
Page 56 of this report and the following pages explain the situation:

http://archive.audit.vic.gov.au/reports_par/police_report-5.pdf

How dare they try to compete with men for jobs that belong to men!!!

There is a difference between women COMPETING for jobs on their own merits......and either having standards lowered to accommodate them or males being knocked back to suit an agenda or quota.
All you are doing with this Sixpack is lowering your standards of women and saying that they can't compete on an even playing-field with men....so what was that about 'sexism' again?

Care to explain the above comment Livers?

No problem.
Hypothetical time:
Big male criminal runs out of a milk-bar he just held up.
Standing in his way is....

a) a 5-foot female officer with a baton
b) a 6'6" male officer with a baton

Which one is the criminal most scared of...a) or b)?

My sister used to be with the cops and there was an instance where a female officer and a male officer arrived at a domestic dispute.
There was a scuffle between the officers and a couple of males.
The female officer ran back to the police car and locked herself in the car....leaving the male officer to battle it out with the offending males.
My sister told me that the male officer was more worried about the safety of his female partner rather than looking after himself ....and then to be left to it as the female officer ran back to the police car...well...I guess you can understand the male officers outlook on women on the front line after that.

Now maybe I am getting soft in my old age...but maybe this was a one-off incident...and I do think that the BEST PERSON FOR THE ROLE should be hired. If that is a woman, then that is great.
However, as we have seen with, for example, the South African cricket and rugby quotas.
Kevin Pietersen went to play with England because he couldn't get into the South African team due to racial quotas:

"I was dropped because the quota system was brought into South African cricket to positively discriminate in favour of 'players of colour' and to fast-track the racial integration of cricket in the country," Pietersen says in Crossing the Boundary. "To me, every single person in this world needs to be treated exactly the same and that should have included me, as a promising 20-year-old cricketer. If you do well you should play on merit. That goes for any person of any colour. It was heartbreaking. "
Pietersen was also scathing on the subject of Ashwell Prince (the first SA black captain in the absence of an injured Graeme Smith) claiming that his appointment was "further evidence that things were going downhill".

http://betting.betfair.com/cricket/south-african-cricket/quota-unquote-how-the-quota-sy-1.html

I wonder how many good male candidates the police are losing because they want to fit an agenda of hiring women and people from minority groups?

 

[Six Pack]

you poor bugger, Livers, u still cant make head nor tail of this can u.

policing is more than chasing bad guys down the street. its a much more complex job than that.

yr living in some 1960s fantasy land with the benny hill music playing in yr head!

 

[Liverpool]

you poor bugger, Livers, u still cant make head nor tail of this can u.
policing is more than chasing bad guys down the street. its a much more complex job than that.
yr living in some 1960s fantasy land with the benny hill music playing in yr head!

And you're a confused soul Sixpack who likes to think he is battling for women, minority groups, and the disadvantaged.....but in having quotas to help these groups enter the police force, you are advocating discrimination.....and lowering entrance standards to allow such groups to join the police more easily, it is advocating the path of medicority the police are going down.
Difficult times for you Sixpack.

 

[Six Pack]

I'm not confused at all. its you that has a problem with women. Must make life tough for u, Livers. Sometimes i feel angry when i read yr posts, but mainly i feel sad for u and yr lack of empathy and understanding.

 

[Liverpool]

I'm not confused at all. its you that has a problem with women. Must make life tough for u, Livers. Sometimes i feel angry when i read yr posts, but mainly i feel sad for u and yr lack of empathy and understanding.

So I have a problem with women because:

* I think entrance standards should not be lowered to accommodate them (or anyone else for that matter)
* That women should by all means compete for any job they wish on an even playing field
* That the BEST PERSON for the job be hired
* That the police should not hire people to suit agendas or quotas and that they should hire whoever is the best person for the job, regardless of gender, race, or religion.

How is what I have said having a problem with women??? :don't know ???

It is simply urging the police NOT to go down a path of mediocrity and to choose the best candidates on offer.

 

[Rosy]

Let me, if I may? What he is saying is that the man is the superior sex in every way and that women should stay home, barefoot and pregnant, cooking and cleaning for their fella.

You certainly did a better job of it than Livers' weak attempt except you forgot to mention that women are all sooks who burst into tears and run away. The isms stand Livers. :hihi

 

[Liverpool]

You certainly did a better job of it than Livers' weak attempt except you forgot to mention that women are all sooks who burst into tears and run away. The isms stand Livers. :hihi

So Rosy...you would have no problem an employer changing the rules to allow an easier path for you to get a job....more or less saying you aren't good enough to get it on your own merits and need a helping hand?

 

[Six Pack]

It is simply urging the police NOT to go down a path of mediocrity and to choose the best candidates on offer.

And this path u base on yr archaic notions of coppers chasing bad dudes down alley ways.

come on livers, get with the real world!

 

[Liverpool]

And this path u base on yr archaic notions of coppers chasing bad dudes down alley ways.

Sixpack,
The police have altered and lowered standards to get more women to join up.
That to me means you are getting a lower standard of applicant through the doors than we have had in the past.
Whether they are chasing 'bad dudes' or not is irrelevant....as all police through the academy are expected to pass the same physical and mental requirements.
Quality over quantity is what I want.....and to top it off, that quantity is then segregated to whether they fit the "popular quota for the month".
No wonder people have no respect and treat the police with contempt....as we saw during S11 and G20.

 

[Six Pack]

Sixpack,
The police have altered and lowered standards to get more women to join up.

Well that is just disgraceful on yr part, Livers. They have lowered standards to attract women????

Geeze u are a hater. Life must be bleak at Livers HQ.

U hate women, blacks, migrants, homosexuals, people who aren't like you, people against the war, africans, asians etc etc etc.

How do u live with yrself?

 

[Rosy]

So Rosy...you would have no problem an employer changing the rules to allow an easier path for you to get a job....more or less saying you aren't good enough to get it on your own merits and need a helping hand?

What does that comment have to do with your inference that women police would cry and run away?

 

[Liverpool]

Well that is just disgraceful on yr part, Livers. They have lowered standards to attract women????
Geeze u are a hater. Life must be bleak at Livers HQ.
U hate women, blacks, migrants, homosexuals, people who aren't like you, people against the war, africans, asians etc etc etc.
How do u live with yrself?

Are you serious? :rofl
Why is it disgraceful???

Police reports admit that physical testing standards have been lowered to accommodate women.
You can read it all for yourself on page-56 of this official report:

http://archive.audit.vic.gov.au/reports_par/police_report-5.pdf

I know you like to argue with ME and not what I am saying...but I htink you are going a bit overboard here.

What does that comment have to do with your inference that women police would cry and run away?

I never said ALL women....but you only need an one instance to put another officer's life in jeopardy.
My sister's anecdote I wrote in my previous post to you one example of this.
And like I said...this may have been a one-off....and I stand by my view that the best person for the job should be hired, not trying to change entrance standards or to fulfil political correct quotas, which would lead to mediocre candidates getting through the door, of both genders.

 

[Six Pack]

Rationalise it however you want, livers, but it has been clear for a long time that u are a resenter and a hater. The world is passing u by and u cant stand it.

good luck