Operation Get Mick!

[houdini]

Not really sure the role at Richmond will open anytime soon.
[/quote]it might be if we fail again next year and going by past results failure is a 95 % chance of happening

 

[smasha]

Interestingly, FWIW, Malthouse today was quoted in the West Australian as saying he came into this world a Magpie supporter, and he would leave it as a Magpie supporter.

He said that in his speech at Gosches Paddock.

I reckon he will leave a Richmond supporter too though he aint going to say that in front of Magpie fans.

 

[smasha]

Well, I know he once set foot in the Richmond Football Club and became a Richmond Footballer, and I hope he NEVER sets foot in our Coaching Department.

Don't worry....if he takes a year off he's gone forever.
All this new, young breed of Coaches will show they are the new breed and hear to stay.

Sayonara Mick, you clown.

He won a flag just like Sheeds.

I know these blokes are in different clubs and have different agendas but they all were Richmond premiership players.

I know Sheeds always meets up with all his Tiger Premiership mates.

Balmey also.

If we win one soon,I'm sure they will feel an element of pride.

 

[linuscambridge]

You don't get an extra 5 weeks to prepare, you play the same number of games just have to get sent to Shepparton and Canberra and Bunbury.

So they had to cut out a couple of weeks of weights and drills. Doesn't matter how late you start, round 1 is round 1. And playing 3-4 preseason games for each player is what everyone does to get them right.

I posted two sentences refering to the fact that they were travelling well and ran into a series of injuries and suspensions. That is my reference to the wheels falling off which you have taken in isolation. They simply weren't able to get form into guys like Dawes or touch into someone like Didak or Thomas. Shaw was flying. Maxwell was struggling before he broke his thumb and a passenger afterwards.

As for them dieing in the last quarter of the GF? Probably has as much to do with the giant effort in the prelim against the Hawks which was intense. Cats cruised passed the Eagles and by rights should always have been fresher. I think those 7 quarters against the Hawks and Cats show they must have been doing something right. In the end, they had too many guys who missed footy at the wrong end of the season and were not match fit. That's the way it goes sometimes,.

The lesson for us is that if we want to win a GF we probably need to be a lot better than we imagine. It is probable that one of our assitants will go for a job in GF week, or than Martin will be on one leg, or that Rance will miss.

I completely disagree that a practice game in Shep. has the same effect on your training load and intensity as a fully fledged game in the NAB cup. I have been to many practice games and (as I'm sure you have too) and IMO they are played at a completely different intensity. The benches are endless, the tactics are all over the place, and there is no way the players go at it with the ferocity of a NAB cup finals match.

Regardless of what either of us think I think it's a fair assumption that many coaches think the pre season cup is NOT the ideal prep for the season. You only have to cast your mind back to Roosy when he was coaching Sydney, slapping his players on the back and congratulating them for giving away the match winning goal to the opposition to knock them out of the NAB cup early.

There would be S&C coaches foaming at the mouth about your over simplification of the process of peaking for a finals series. It's not a matter of dropping a few weights sessions to make up for a NAB cup final, I hope you are not serious about this suggestion.

Clearly we are not going to agree on this, that's OK with me, I actually enjoy your posts and opinions. In this case I think we are on the same page in saying that there were several players that were not at their best on the GF day. I propose that they would have had a better chance if they bombed out of the pre season comp early. You disagree. So be it.

 

[TigerForce]

Operation FORget Mick.

Sounds like he won't join another club unless it's a coaching role.

Let's just stick to the young guns.

 

[SAF]

I'm happy with Hardwick and hoping like hell that he'll be the senior coach to take us to the next flag. I can't really see how Mick would fit into that, for several reasons:

• Mick would probably expect a higher salary that what Hardwick is on and more than we can afford. I'm sure Mick would make more in the media for what is a less stressful job
• It doesn't seem like Mick wants to be the senior assistant, he is used to being the big banana and I don't think we would be good as stepping back and letting Hardwick run the show
• I'm pretty sure Mick and Hardwick don't have any meaningful relationship or history, different to Hird and Thompson who were premiership teammates
• The supporter and media speculation about if Mick will take over from Hardwick (particuliarly if we lose a few games on the trot) would be an on-going distraction - not healthy

This whole thing seems to be a similar romantic notion along the same lines as the get Sheedy back to Tigerland - I'm over it.

 

[tiges]

ok this scenario which i very much hope does not happen and i don' t think it will, but lets say hypothetically it id.

Tigers have a good run with injuries next year etc so no excuses , and we win only 4 - 5 games only.

Whom thinks the club would resign Hardwick ?

If not would they throw the kitchen sink at Malthouse to get him over ?

 

[tempany14]

I think the pressure on Hardwick will be huge irrespective if MM is on board or not. In that if we have a run of losses like this year with his contract expiring at the end of 2012 the call from all to replace him with Malthouse will be deafining. It may be better at sounding him out and seeing if there was a role he could fill. A lot of clubs are recruiting experienced personnel to assist there senior coaches i am assuming this is a considered step and not just a fad , as such i think our management would be negligent not to aleast consider making an approach.

 

[JR8]

ok this scenario which i very much hope does not happen and i don' t think it will, but lets say hypothetically it id.

Tigers have a good run with injuries next year etc so no excuses , and we win only 4 - 5 games only.

Whom thinks the club would resign Hardwick ?

If not would they throw the kitchen sink at Malthouse to get him over ?

If we have a good run with injuries we wont be winning only 4-5 games.

More likely 11-13 and make the finals! ;D

 

[linuscambridge]

I like Neil Balmes comment after the grand final. Along the lines of everybody talks about the head coach, but there are so many elements that go towards a premiership.

 

[tigertigertigertiger]

Mick just wants to sit in the coaching box.

Get him as Director of coaching,and give him a seat in the box.

No Brainer,

 

[Harry]

people seem to have blind faith in hardwick. was in favour of his appointment but don't have blind faith in anyone. personally have big question marks over his game plan from what I have seen so far. give him until end of next year to prove his worth, and if the team and game plan/style does not show enough improvement, cut him and appoint malthouse.

 

[tigertigertigertiger]

people seem to have blind faith in hardwick. was in favour of his appointment but don't have blind faith in anyone. personally have big question marks over his game plan from what I have seen so far. give him until end of next year to prove his worth, and if the team and game plan/style does not show enough improvement, cut him and appoint malthouse.

If Malthouse is director of coaching,then at end of next year,if hardwick dont fire,then Malthouse becomes director of himself...

 

[johnson2richo2003]

people seem to have blind faith in hardwick. was in favour of his appointment but don't have blind faith in anyone. personally have big question marks over his game plan from what I have seen so far. give him until end of next year to prove his worth, and if the team and game plan/style does not show enough improvement, cut him and appoint malthouse.

To implement a game plan you have to have the right cattle.Would be harsh to judge Hardwick considering where he had to start from.

 

[tigertime2]

To implement a game plan you have to have the right cattle.Would be harsh to judge Hardwick considering where he had to start from.

Our Playing stocks are improving and our players are developing - we are heading in the right direction, if we make finals next year then Hardwicke should get a contract extension of 2 years.

 

[Harry]

To implement a game plan you have to have the right cattle.Would be harsh to judge Hardwick considering where he had to start from.

chicken or the egg. it's the coaches responsibility to develop his players and a game plan. blind faith will only lead to another wasted 10 years like we did with the 2 clowns b4 him. every area of the club needs to be constantly scrutinised. a good bloke with a few cliches does not make a good coach. time to get ruthless.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Our Playing stocks are improving and our players are developing - we are heading in the right direction, if we make finals next year then Hardwicke should get a contract extension of 2 years.

There was talk during the year of an extension, however this was following the second win over Brisbane and just prior to that horrific run of losses. Anything come of it?

 

[johnson2richo2003]

chicken or the egg. it's the coaches responsibility to develop his players and a game plan. blind faith will only lead to another wasted 10 years like we did with the 2 clowns b4 him. every area of the club needs to be constantly scrutinised. a good bloke with a few cliches does not make a good coach. time to get ruthless.

So how long would you have given Malthouse under the same circumstances[list wise] if Mathouse was appointed instead of Hardwick before you start to question his appointment?

 

[houdini]

So how long would you have given Malthouse under the same circumstances[list wise] if Mathouse was appointed instead of Hardwick before you start to question his appointment?

we have suffered for long enough , so if any coach does not get us into the finals after 3 years at the helm they need to be shown the door [/list]

 

[YinnarTiger]

we have suffered for long enough , so if any coach does not get us into the finals after 3 years at the helm they need to be shown the door

So you're saying sack Hardwick if we don't make the finals next year?

IMO 2013 is the earliest we could say we should expect to make the finals. If we make them in 2012 it would be a bonus. Meaningless,however unless it was top 4.