CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
I've heard quite a few of the players are not big fans of his allegedly incredibly anal style, particularly he's penchant for "meetings."
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I've heard quite a few of the players are not big fans of his allegedly incredibly anal style, particularly he's penchant for "meetings."
I wonder if Lingy would be a canny off field target. he might have some secrets in terms of 'premierships 101'
he looks like a straight shooter, and he made up for his ability with attitude
he looks like a straight shooter, and he made up for his ability with attitude
In simple terms, our people would be mad not to have a talk to his people now that he is officially leaving Coll.
Most likely you would think Mick wants a year off, most likely do media, which is fair enough.
But surely there would be a role for him in a part time capacity at a club like ours during the week. A man with that much experience, knowledge and with the image he has, could only be of benefit in helping our football dept, not to mention the help he could give our players. If you were a young player and Mick wanted to sit down with you to talk about you, don't you think a young player would be glued to his every word? I would.
I guess it depends what Mick wants to do, and what offers come his way, but surely our club should at least investage his availability, and what role he could play for us, especially having missed out on Craig. They mentioned Baileys name on the Sunday footy show too this morning for those who didn't see it BTW.
Most likely you would think Mick wants a year off, most likely do media, which is fair enough.
But surely there would be a role for him in a part time capacity at a club like ours during the week. A man with that much experience, knowledge and with the image he has, could only be of benefit in helping our football dept, not to mention the help he could give our players. If you were a young player and Mick wanted to sit down with you to talk about you, don't you think a young player would be glued to his every word? I would.
I guess it depends what Mick wants to do, and what offers come his way, but surely our club should at least investage his availability, and what role he could play for us, especially having missed out on Craig. They mentioned Baileys name on the Sunday footy show too this morning for those who didn't see it BTW.
linuscambridge said:
I think they just got unlucky at the wrong time of the year with supsensions (Maxwell, Shaw and Thomas) and injuries (Reid, Maxwell, Jolly, Dawes, Johnson, Beams, Wellingham) lost all their momentum and couldn't get it back; just couldn't get match fit. If anything getting to the GF and running the Cats close might be proof that they were on the right track.
I also thick Chris Scott deserves credit for changing the Cat's game plan only 6-7 weeks out and begin bombing long to Pods and Hawkins. Caught the Pies by suprise and they couldn't adapt.
But on the original question. I can't imagine MM refusing a parttime support role at Collingwood only to take up something similar at another club.
Lennox Street said:
You just named 7 players with soft tissue injuries (correct me if I am wrong), no doubt there is an element of luck in that, but on the other hand it is one of the KPI's that all S&C coaches judge themselves on every year. S&C coaches at both Stkilda and Essendon have been sacked in recent years purely on the back of the soft tissue injury count. Every club would count the total weeks lost to soft tissue injuries and judge the success of their conditioning program in the light of the result.
If you play the reserves team in the pre-season cup you give your team an extra month to prepare for the season, and shorten the time they need to be "up" by the same amount of time, and perhaps you have a fit Reid and Jolly come the Grand Final.
That alone could make a critical difference to the result. They beat Hawthorn by 40 points in round 15 at a canter, they got a few lucky breaks and snuck home by 3 points a couple of weeks ago. It's still my opinion they peaked too early.
Do you think they were at their best during the final series?
linuscambridge said:
Maxwell had a broken thumb, the 8 weeks Shaw missed were his own fault. Not defending them, only saying they were flying and stopped dead and it isn't necessarily because their fitness program wasn't right - it worked the previous year.
linuscambridge said:
Alan Didak, Heath Shaw, Leigh Brown, Luke Ball and Chris Tarrant all missed the preseason SF. Jolly and Goldsack played their first game in that semi. http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/collingwood-set-to-welcome-back-premiership-stars-darren-jolly-and-alan-didak-for-nab-cup-semi-final/story-e6frf3e3-1226014770975
linuscambridge said:
Its my opnion that they were crusing and the wheels fell off Even then they might not have beaten Geelong Perhaps they were always the second best team in the comp and the GF proved it?
Lennox Street said:
Sorry, six not seven soft tissue injuries (I wasn't counting the suspensions).
Look, you may well be right in that Collingwood at their best this year would not beat Geelong at theirs. My point is that through some bad planning they didn't give them their best chance.
I called it in March;
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I believe Collingwood were putting way too many of their elite players on the park in the pre season comp, they won the damn thing didn't they? And in terms of reasons, I have no idea exactly what "the wheels fell off" really means when explaining Collingwoods decline.
I would love to have a gentlemans bet with you Lennox, I bet you come the first game of the pre season cup, the team Bucks turns out will look more like the Collingwood VFL team than the one that won the pre season cup this year.
Bucks won't make the same mistake twice.
P.s. Sorry, can't get the iPad to show the link to that thread
linuscambridge said:
Its a great theory but the facts contradict you. NAB Rd 1 (the two game format) they did field a reserves team. Davis in a new role, Tarrant and Krakouer new to the club. Even by the semi-final Bolton, Buckley, McAffer, Sinclair, Wood, Keefe, Goldsack are in the team. Fasolo is playing as a first year kid.
B: A.TOOVEY C.TARRANT S.BUCKLEY
HB: T.GOLDSACK L.KEEFE L.DAVIS
C: L.BALL J.BLAIR J.McCARTHY
HF: J.BOLTON B.MACAFFER K.UGLE
F: B.*smile* C.DAWES B.SINCLAIR
FOL: C.WOOD S.SIDEBOTTOM A.FASOLO
INT: L.BROWN A.KRAKOUER D.BEAMS
SUB: L.ROUNDS
And by the final, it is Geelong playing more guys from the eventual GF team. And while the Pies won it was buy a point with Geelong leading 2 minutes out. Evidence even then that the teams were closely matched, and a contradiction of the idea that the Cats eased into the season resting players.
B: L.DAVIS C.TARRANT S.BUCKLEY
HB: H.O’BRIEN B.REID H.SHAW
C: L.BALL S.WELLINGHAM D.THOMAS
HF: J.BOLTON T.CLOKE S.SIDEBOTTOM
F: B.MACAFFER C.DAWES B.SINCLAIR
FOL: C.WOOD D.SWAN J.BLAIR
INT: L.KEEFFE A.FASOLO D.BEAMS
SUB: T.GOLDSACK
GEELONG
B: B.SMEDTS M.SCARLETT J.HUNT
HB: A.MACKIE H.TAYLOR D.MILBURN
C: D.WOJCINSKI C.LING J.KELLY
HF: S.JOHNSON C.MOONEY P.CHAPMAN
F: M.STOKES J.POSIADLY T.VARCOE
FOL: N.VARDY J.BARTEL J.SELWOOD
INT: J.COREY S.HOGAN C.ENRIGHT
SUB: S.BYRNES
DirtyDogTiger said:
Interesting idea DDT.
FWIW, my Mum thinks that Richmond should grab Ling if he retires. She is a Cats supporter and loves Ling. We even got him to sign a birthday card for her for her 60th.
So she might be biased, but she reckons he would be a great addition for the Richmond coaching staff.
And the reason why she would suggest this? She is hoping that Richmond pull their fingers out for my sake. There is nothing like a mother's love.
Malthouse's Manager has delivered a round house to Eddie saying Mick is not burnt out despite McGuire's assertion that he's finished and they knew he was hence the decision to put Bucks in the role.
Fair enough too as it draws any future offers into question.
Fair enough too as it draws any future offers into question.
Tigers of Old said:
It is hard to know who is right. The media have certainly seemed to buy the Eddie McGuire line. But Mick is a hard man.
But personally, I do not think Mick would have a motivational problem if the right challenge was put before him. I don't think money would speak for Mick right now, I think if he comes back to football it will be other motivations. It is why I'd say there is a big chance that if he returns, it will be in a role with us. But I also have posted before that I think he will only return to football as a senior coach.
Game Set Match to Lennox over Linus on Collingwoods "overuse" of players.
Take a massive retort from here to get back in the match.
Good viewing & nice to see leysy not involved. For once.
Take a massive retort from here to get back in the match.
Good viewing & nice to see leysy not involved. For once.
Tigers of Old said:
When I read that I thought that was pretty low of McChins. He just needs to have the final word to be his version of the events no matter what.
If I was the religious type I'd be praying for Buckley to do no better than 9th or 8th for the next 3 years and then watch Eddie toppled and Bucks pushed out the door with him.
Tigers of Old said:
Heh heh good post.Baloo said:
Malthouse's manager should be embarrassed by not having an out clause inserted into the original contract/deal.
It is clear Malthouse still wants to coach and for Eddie to say the deal was actually done 'for Malthouse' and that he is now burnt out is PR/spin of the highest order.
Still a big chance to coach in 2013. And if it wasn't the Saints as the only club looking maybe even 2012 would have been a chance.
Bring back Mccaffer!
Where was here all year!
Beams must be spewing he take the $$$$ to go GC last season.. goose!!
Beams walks
Goldsack tells them to *smile* off
McCaffer wants out!
There goes there depth, maybe they can play Didak back next season and move Maxwell forward and then move obrein to the wing and make there side a team of all rounders and then get caught out in the last game of the season.. Boo whoo!!
Where was here all year!
Beams must be spewing he take the $$$$ to go GC last season.. goose!!
Beams walks
Goldsack tells them to *smile* off
McCaffer wants out!
There goes there depth, maybe they can play Didak back next season and move Maxwell forward and then move obrein to the wing and make there side a team of all rounders and then get caught out in the last game of the season.. Boo whoo!!
Lennox Street said:
The previous year Collingwood went out in the first round of the NAB cup, Feb 19th, that's and extra 5 weeks to prepare for the season ahead. And didn't that show the way they ran out the 2nd grand final against the team that played in the pre season grand final, St Kilda, against Footscray.
And I didn't include Geelong in the analogy for a very good reason, they played TWO Grand Finals less than Collinwood in the previous 12 months. So that's 2 extra weeks of footy at its most intense, plus a minimum of a week extra for the celebrations after the grand final. Collingwood could easily have been 3 to 4 weeks behind Geelong in their prep. for the following season. All the more reason to tank in the pre season comp. and give yourselves the extra 5 weeks in your pre season prep.
Leysy Days said:
So Leysy, are we going to go with "the wheels fell off" as a scientific analysis of why Collingwood looked completely flat in the Grand Final? That's right up there with "it's the vibe of it" in weight of argument
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/mick-malthouse-ends-coaching-era-to-seek-new-home/story-e6frecnu-1226156424433
This was on the heraldsun but they must have removed it.
There is still a small chance of Malthouse to the Tiges.
He has said he won't coach again and feels most at home at puntroad. I also remember him in round 4 talking highly of Martin cotchin and Deledio. He went into detail about then all as well.
He has said "passion is a tap you can't turn off" so I think he still does want to be involved at a club. But won't coach again, as he said.
I'll be interested to see if we do fill our director of coaching position this year.
This was on the heraldsun but they must have removed it.
There is still a small chance of Malthouse to the Tiges.
He has said he won't coach again and feels most at home at puntroad. I also remember him in round 4 talking highly of Martin cotchin and Deledio. He went into detail about then all as well.
He has said "passion is a tap you can't turn off" so I think he still does want to be involved at a club. But won't coach again, as he said.
I'll be interested to see if we do fill our director of coaching position this year.
