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[Tigers of Old]

Yep maybe Dimma got this matchup wrong but no need to hang him for it. As Chimp was also very keen to point out the lack of pressure coming from up field did Alex no favours whatsoever.
It's not just as simple as a one on one. Our lazy assed mids share this one.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Well there is nothing we can do about Saturday's poor performance now. Whats done is done.

How we respond this week against a side whose coach and gameplan we have struggled against for years, and is hungry after a few losses will be telling. They will pressure the ball carrier the same way Collingwood did on the weekend.

 

[tigertime2]

Yep maybe Dimma got this matchup wrong but no need to hang him for it. As Chimp was also very keen to point out the lack of pressure coming from up field did Alex no favours whatsoever.
It's not just as simple as a one on one. Our lazy assed mids share this one.

We don't have enough quality mids that rotate through the middle against top 6 sides.

Foley is important
Helbig is important

 

[blx]

And what would have been the reaction had Rance kept Cloke to 1 or 2 goals, it's only because Cloke kicked 7 that people question why he was on him after the fact, and if Chaplin had of played on Cloke and had 7 kicked on him the boots would have been out and people saying that Rance should of played on him.

sorry but if you explain by way of so many "ifs" it just doesn't stand up.

 

[TigerFurious]

Most clubs have a player driven culture nowadays so Rance having a big say on his opponent is not unusual. After his efforts on the weekend though, he would have lost a bit of trust amongst the coaches and the playing group so he's probably not going to be picking his opponent for a while.

 

[Rosy]

The room went quiet after that. ;D

Get into em Cotchy.

I thought Trent almost sounded petulant. He didn't seem to like the way they highlighted Swan's play (not that I blame him) and didn't acknowledge his good game in any way. It doesn't hurt to be humble in defeat. Fact is Collingwood's midfield flogged us and Swan had the better game of the 2.

 

[Leysy Days]

Petulant. :hihi Hardly.

Just because he chooses not to p!ss in the pocket of the opposition doesn't make him petulant. Good on him. Strange observation gotta say.

Most clubs have a player driven culture nowadays so Rance having a big say on his opponent is not unusual. After his efforts on the weekend though, he would have lost a bit of trust amongst the coaches and the playing group so he's probably not going to be picking his opponent for a while.

yeah agree TF, we are in an era of player ownership. reckon you'll find most clubs would be similar. They are fully encouraged to self-coach, especially out on the ground. Was listening to Matthew Scarlett the other day & he said he couldn't ever remember a coach telling him who his opponent would be. They'd just figure it out for themselves. :hihi

Pretty strong character is he & had just a few tickets in the bank.

Back to Rance, yes when you are continually lowering your colours the coaching staff will or should step in & re-define his role so he knows he's not an option for those tasks anymore.

 

[Giardiasis]

Yeah I'm not really concerned by the whole Rance chose Cloke decision making. If a player wants to step up, they should be encouraged to, but they should understand that the gamble might not pay off. We are still a developing side, so sure it backfired, but it did answer some questions that will help us long term, and assist Alex in understanding his limitations and areas of improvement.

 

[Rosy]

Petulant. :hihi Hardly.

Just because he chooses not to p!ss in the pocket of the opposition doesn't make him petulant. Good on him. Strange observation gotta say.

Did you watch the show? What do you think of the comments that he basically called Swan a cheat?

 

[Tigerfan]

according to this thread

if the bull chargs and breaks through the gate - we blame the gate
methnks the problem was up the field

 

[Leysy Days]

Did you watch the show? What do you think of the comments that he basically called Swan a cheat?

Certainly did watch it, he said Swan ran forward of the ball at times (or rolled the dice to be exact) and didn't work back hard on occasion. On this day it worked, on others it might not.

Think the club knew this, thus tried to exploit it by playing Lids on Swan for the most part trying to hurt him the other way. Think that mindset is right, cos Brett can destroy teams with his pace/skills, alas for various reasons (turnovers/not winning the footy etc) it didn't turn out.

Still think the theory is sound. Lids nails a couple of chances early in the match & the worm turns towards Swan.

The one criticism was once Collingwood did get on top in the 3rd, our mindset needed to perhaps change.

 

[TOT70]

Swan is a noted cherry-picker. So is GA Jr.

They are both players who will let their man go forward alone when the other team has the ball and position themselves to be the loose man when the ball is turned over. Then they create the overlap. It is a devastating way to play football, as long as your team-mates are good enough to win regular turnovers without you AND your opponent is not dangerous enough to get out on his own and cause his own mayhem. GA Jr was the best in the business at this when he was at Geelong, now, not quite so much. Both players run hard the other way when things are going against them. Swan did a fair bit of defensive work in the first half on Saturday. He started to sag forward of the contest when it swung their way.

This is not cheating. When I was coaching my kids’ Basketball teams I would always encourage the cherry-pickers, as long as they were effective when they did it and as long as they knew that they had to abandon the practice when the game was tight and they were needed in defence.

Getting back to Cotchin. He is not the most interesting media personality because he is quietly-spoken and humble. Like his coach, he doesn’t say much to the media.

 

[Rosy]

Certainly did watch it, he said Swan ran forward of the ball at times (or rolled the dice to be exact) and didn't work back hard on occasion. On this day it worked, on others it might not.

Fact is Swan had 17 uncontested, 19 contested possessions and still maintained 71% disposal effectiveness, 7 clearances. Whatever role he played on the day worked well for his team. Respect from the coaches, as indicated by their votes, supports that. As I said I'm disappointed they didn't ask Trent about his own game. I'd be more interested to know how he judged it than his lack of expressed respect for Swan's efforts.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Getting back to Cotchin. He is not the most interesting media personality because he is quietly-spoken and humble. Like his coach, he doesn’t say much to the media.

I was disappointed at how short the interview was. I'm sure others on the couch have been on for longer.

 

[YellowBlacks21]

Watch the 'Open Mike' interview with Matty Scarlett - he and the back 6 use to decide on who they would play on every week. Now I know Rance is no where near a Scarlett but you have to back your players in and besides, I don't blame Rance for Collingwood kicking the ball lace out to Cloke in that 3rd quarter. The midfield group is to blame for that for their lack of pressure on the Collingwood midfield.

 

[Leysy Days]

Fact is Swan had 17 uncontested, 19 contested possessions and still maintained 71% disposal effectiveness, 7 clearances.

His inside work is a separate issue from what Chimp (& you) were asked/asking.

We weren't good enough in this area, have posted elsewhere Tucks lack of form is hurting us amongst other reasons. We are lacking inside ball winners ATM.

 

[YellowBlacks21]

Fact is Swan had 17 uncontested, 19 contested possessions and still maintained 71% disposal effectiveness, 7 clearances. Whatever role he played on the day worked well for his team. Respect from the coaches, as indicated by their votes, supports that. As I said I'm disappointed they didn't ask Trent about his own game. I'd be more interested to know how he judged it than his lack of expressed respect for Swan's efforts.

Agree - and Cotch did say that Swan reads the game very very well and that's why he gets himself into those positions, the Hawks the previous week took advantage of how Swan plays, we unfortunately on Saturday couldnt.

 

[Tommo37]

I was disappointed at how short the interview was. I'm sure others on the couch have been on for longer.

Maybe they cut it short because Cotchin wasn't giving them the answers's they were looking for, i thought it was pretty poor form when they showed the first clip highlighting Cotchin and Swan in the centre bounce and then going on about how well Swan gets to position and why Cotchin didn't follow him and then the second highlight showing Swan and the spread and going on about how well Swan spreads from the contest, i'd like to think that Cotchin got a bit shirty with that and that's why he didn't pump up Swan's tyres, they have a tiger guest on and the captain at that and the highlights they show are of Collingwood and Swan, like they were almost saying look how good swan does things. Cotchin was only responding to these two clips and i didn't feel he was having a go at swan's overall game.

 

[TigerFurious]

Watch the 'Open Mike' interview with Matty Scarlett - he and the back 6 use to decide on who they would play on every week. Now I know Rance is no where near a Scarlett but you have to back your players in and besides, I don't blame Rance for Collingwood kicking the ball lace out to Cloke in that 3rd quarter. The midfield group is to blame for that for their lack of pressure on the Collingwood midfield.

Seems to me like the defence never take any responsibility when things go wrong, it's either the matchups were wrong or the midfield didn't do enough to restrict supply. Granted, our midfield was well beaten in the third but had our defenders been able to nullify a few contests and provide some rebound, the midfielders may have had time to regroup and start winning some ball.

Sydney's defenders were able to absorb enormous pressure from Hawthorn in last years GF which bought the midfielders time to get back in the contest.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Shame they didn't have time to ask Chimp what he thought of Jackson's game. ;D