Nick Vlastuin

[tigersnake]

Re: Game plan analysis 2017 - rewind, Round 6 Adelaide

Great convo.

Scoop is dead right in the points he raises. And all things equal on the flag clock it would be right to shop him.

The only poser. We have what, a 3 year window with our foot just planted in it.

Would we give someone, that can make an impact and is up to the level now, especially if injuries hit, even in a very big game, for a pick or two that won't come to fruition until after said window.

Is it the right time to trade out for non premium picks?

Not sure of the answer - just throwing another layer to the topic out there.

yeah its a good layer. Key point for is that until his injury, like a lot of players in the team, had lifted and was building. I reckon his trajectory has been started with a bang, crabbed sideways and just did his bit, now looks to be clicking.. I need the shrugging guy emoji.

 

[AngryAnt]

Re: Game plan analysis 2017 - rewind, Round 6 Adelaide

yeah its a good layer. Key point for is that until his injury, like a lot of players in the team, had lifted and was building. I reckon his trajectory has been started with a bang, crabbed sideways and just did his bit, now looks to be clicking.. I need the shrugging guy emoji.

Yeah. Despite Scoop making a great argument, I can't bring myself to want him traded.

 

[Scoop]

Re: Game plan analysis 2017 - rewind, Round 6 Adelaide

My lesson from this thread is be careful about your last sentence as the thread becomes about that rather than what you actually wanted to talk about.

Or may the the rest of it wasn't that interesting. :blah

Hahah. Naw, it's linked. And your point is valid. The game plan has changed since Round six and players we once thought were valuable, maybe now aren't.

 

[BrisTiger24]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

I'd be happy to trade him for the right picks. We havent really missed him. Yes he can come back and add something extra in defence but tough defenders should generally be replaceable through later picks in the draft

 

[year of the tiger]

Re: Game plan analysis 2017 - rewind, Round 6 Adelaide

I always had Vloss marked down as a future leader / possible Captain. Like all players reckon when in fit and form is an integral part of our team - and a finals type player (can't recall his 3 final stats) - can't all be young skinny speed machines but agree with others could be tradable for the right price - I would want pick 18 - 25 minimum for him (ala Caddy). In other words is Naish going to be a better player than Vlass given some think Naish will go for around that pick.

Back on topic antman - the Adelaide loss could have simply been the loss we had to have - in other words they may have just switched off for that game after 1/4 time and stopped running - nothing more or less given the squad hasn't changed that much.

 

[MD Jazz]

Re: Game plan analysis 2017 - rewind, Round 6 Adelaide

I don't disagree with the Markov call. But we are taking out player 22 for Vlastuin.

Shows he sits well outside of our top 10.

I think when fit he is very close to top ten. Miles in front of K-Mac in everything but running. I'd hate to think the games moved that far towards the athlete.

He is safe with the ball, great decision maker, neat disposal. If he could run like Houli he would be a weapon.

 

[spook]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

I'm not averse to trading Flossy, but I'd want more than two third-rounders. Aish fetched two seconds and he's a far inferior player. And as Leysy says, we are in our window, so if we're trading him it should be for something or someone that improves the team from day one.

(He was good in the North final, yott. One of our best on the day.)

 

[TOT70]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

The quality of our whipping boys goes up another notch.

Keep Vlastuin, keep Dusty, stay away from Tippett, use all our Draft picks, bring in a couple of free agents, keep anybody else who is good, delist all the obvious ones. This year's list management strategy is quite straight-forward. Miles will probably get the few missing points we need.

When fit, Vlastuin is clearly a best 22 player.

 

[mrposhman]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

Good discussion and agree with Scoop that he's up against McIntosh for his position, been tried up forward and wasn't great, when played in the middle didn't get his hands on it enough but he's an excellent mark and distributor of the ball, reckon he adds that next line of defence from what we already have.

Having said that, even without him we have the best defence in the AFL, so I agree, do we need him long term? He probably is one of those that has currency and whilst he's a good player and adds to our team, adding to the areas of deficiency would more than outweigh what we'd lose.

I wonder if we could arrange a trade like, Vlastuin and Pick 15 for Pick 7/8 and a 3rd next year?

 

[Brodders17]

Re: Game plan analysis 2017 - rewind, Round 6 Adelaide

I think when fit he is very close to top ten. Miles in front of K-Mac in everything but running. I'd hate to think the games moved that far towards the athlete.

He is safe with the ball, great decision maker, neat disposal. If he could run like Houli he would be a weapon.

McIntosh can play taller down back too.

 

[Scoop]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

Good discussion and agree with Scoop that he's up against McIntosh for his position, been tried up forward and wasn't great, when played in the middle didn't get his hands on it enough but he's an excellent mark and distributor of the ball, reckon he adds that next line of defence from what we already have.

Having said that, even without him we have the best defence in the AFL, so I agree, do we need him long term? He probably is one of those that has currency and whilst he's a good player and adds to our team, adding to the areas of deficiency would more than outweigh what we'd lose.

I wonder if we could arrange a trade like, Vlastuin and Pick 15 for Pick 7/8 and a 3rd next year?

That last trade proposal is a doozy. That's what I'd be doing.

And be clear, I like Vlastuin, I'm not against keeping him. But being able to trade players at the right time for the right place who aren't vital is the way to keep the list stronger for longer.

 

[Wildcat]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

Congrats antman ....a great thread (only at page 1 so far) but its good. I notice ...if you start off a thread sensible, thoughtful and educated ...it (and im at the bottom of page 1 remember) it seems to hold its tone and civility.

 

[mrposhman]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

That last trade proposal is a doozy. That's what I'd be doing.

And be clear, I like Vlastuin, I'm not against keeping him. But being able to trade players at the right time for the right place who aren't vital is the way to keep the list stronger for longer.

Really like that as an option too. Someone like St Kilda might be around those sort of picks 7-8, and I think he'd fit their style very nicely. If theres one area where they struggle its in defence and keeping scores down. They are ranked 11th for scores against and he's a massive upgrade on the likes of Gilbert. They will likely have 2 top 10 picks, so might work out well for both teams a trade such as that. They end up with Vlastuin and 2 firsts, we get a top 10, keep our other first and hopefully get Naish for those chump change picks we have left.

 

[frickenel]

Re: Game plan analysis 2017 - rewind, Round 6 Adelaide

McIntosh can play taller down back too.

Although he has a bit of height, playing tall just isn't KMac's strong suit IMO. I'd back Vlaustuin to play tall before KMac. Don't get me wrong, i like KMac as a player, but i just don't believe it's his strength.

I also have a feeling that Vlastuin is going to be one of those slow burn types who will get better and better. How often do you get a player with his toughness, leadership and decision making? I wouldn't be letting him go.

I'd be trying to get something for say Batchelor who would walk into a lot of other sides screaming for a ready made defender with a mature body. He's playing very good footy in the 2nd's, it's just that we have an abundance of defenders at the minute. In case of injury to say Grimes, we do still have cover with Broad and Garth.

A 3rd rounder might be a good result for both us, the opposition and Batchelor who'd then have much more opportunity. Miles is the other who should easily be in he best 22 of a lot of sides.

 

[Leysy Days]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

Batch might get a game in other sides, but be amazed if anyone trades for him Frick.

 

[Giardiasis]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

Keep Vlastuin in defence and play the tosh on the wing. Out comes Grigg as long as Menadue keeps performing.

 

[spook]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

I wonder if we could arrange a trade like, Vlastuin and Pick 15 for Pick 7/8 and a 3rd next year?

If we were trading Floss and a first it would have to be to get Brander or Sutherland, which means a top-5 pick.

 

[Scoop]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

Really like that as an option too. Someone like St Kilda might be around those sort of picks 7-8, and I think he'd fit their style very nicely. If theres one area where they struggle its in defence and keeping scores down. They are ranked 11th for scores against and he's a massive upgrade on the likes of Gilbert. They will likely have 2 top 10 picks, so might work out well for both teams a trade such as that. They end up with Vlastuin and 2 firsts, we get a top 10, keep our other first and hopefully get Naish for those chump change picks we have left.

It has to be win-win. It's hard to fleece anyone now. Give value to get value.

I reckon Gold Coast are another option to talk with. Multiple picks as well.

 

[mrposhman]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

If we were trading Floss and a first it would have to be to get Brander or Sutherland, which means a top-5 pick.

I'll take an even higher pick. If we can get a top 5 then great, we should be going for it.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Re: The "Trade Vlastuin?" thread - Was Game Plan 2017 Rewind Adelaide thread

In regards to the original post, I'm not sure playing a solitary tall forward with mosquito fleet feet was ever plan A.

They've stated a number of times that we'd prefer a second tall. I'm also not convinced on the structure as it is. We have looked shaky at times, and in our losses we've looked absolutely unable to score for large stretches. Particularly when the mosquitoes run out of buzz and the taller opponents stay tall.

We are still relying heavily on our stars, but the difference is we're now supporting them. Except for Jack.

We've given Rance an Astbury and Grimes, rather than Morris and Hunt. We've given Cotchin and Martin a Prestia and a Caddy, rather than Townsend and Thomas. But we've taken away Jack's Deledio, his Vickery, and even his Beanie back up, while Griffiths has had a breather.

We are right now relying on Riewoldt. Luckily he's Riewoldt. If he wasn't, we wouldn't be winning. If we could now support him rather than rely on him... Well watch out.