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HeadandShin said:
filling up then sitting there, overfilling and still sitting, then a 20 min wait for the next. It's the weekend, not peak hour on a weekday - there are spare trains and drivers available.

To the man suitting there with a bladder full of beer, one can help suspecting it is some cruel prank.
 
Liverpool said:
Yeah, some other bozo came up with that idea:

....but was shot down by others who want the sitting Government to send the state into financial disarray by spending money we haven't got :p

You lot make me laugh :cutelaugh
Ahh the life of the revisionist. You were asked how you would achieve it and came up with nothing. Marty suggests massive and costly expansion of the inter and intra-state rail network and suddenly you're on board an taking credit for it. :blah
 
evo said:
It would be nice to get an actual railine to Doncaster(for example) before going ahead and duplicating existing lines I reckon.

… historical records show that people out that way are obsessive and compulsive fare evaders. For that reason doncaster will always remain a whited region on train maps and timetables…
 
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/labor-wont-support-eastwest-tunnel-20130730-2qx6u.html

Labor won't support East-West Tunnel

State Labor is set to draw a line in the sand over the controversial east-west tunnel, with Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews to announce he is unambiguously against the $6-$8 billion project, one of the largest in Victoria's history.

Senior ALP sources yesterday confirmed the Opposition's intention to support and new road linking the western suburbs to the Port of Melbourne, and for works to ease congestion along Hoddle Street.

Fairfax Media understands the shadow cabinet firmed its position at a meeting on Tuesday morning.

Labor is also committed to the $9 billion metro rail tunnel, which has been backed by Federal Labor.

Since the Coalition embraced the eastern link - from the Eastern freeway at Clifton Hill to Tullamarine freeway - as a priority in late 2011, Labor has struggled with the politics of the state's biggest infrastructure project.

The government ramped up the tunnel project in the May budget, despite being advised by the Linking Melbourne Authority to give priority to the western link.

Until now Mr Andrews has refused to state a clear position on the Coalition-backed road link, which will connect the Eastern Freeway to the Tullamarine Freeway through traditional Labor heartland of Collingwood, Fitzroy and Carlton, and which has created anxiety for inner city Labor MPs.

The Coalition's project, which has not been assessed by Infrastructure Australia, has been deemed as important to the Coalition's electoral fortunes, with a raft of marginal state and federal seats to the east and south-east of the city.

It has also been seen as an opportunity to wedge Labor in the inner city against the Greens who have opposed the tunnel.

The Coalition is expected to use Mr Andrews' outright opposition to the project to argue he is creating business uncertainty.

Labor has been spooked by the idea of linking the Eastern and Tullamarine freeways since the party took part in protests in the late 1970s that helped truncate the Eastern Freeway at Hoddle Street.

The Bracks government baulked at taking a position on an east-west link when it announced an unfunded transport vision for the whole of Melbourne in the mid 2000s.

Instead, it sought advice from transport supremo Sir Rod Eddington who proposed an 18-kilometre road tunnel linking the Eastern Freeway with CityLink but a further link to the west beyond. Sir Rod proposed that the western link be built first, stressing its importance as a freight link to the Port of Melbourne.

The Napthine government has refused to release key forecasts for the project, including traffic projections and expected toll revenue, claiming that making public such information could jeopardise sensitive commercial negotiations.

The Age July 30, 2013 - 7:07PM
 
I disagree,
As a regular cyclist, it's been made perfectly clear that the only group of people who pay taxes in this country are motorists.

What we need are more roads, freeways and oil.

Bugger everyone else.
 
Why cant the east west tunnel accommodate trains or light rail as well as trucks, cars, buses
 
Michael said:
Why cant the east west tunnel accommodate trains or light rail as well as trucks, cars, buses
The Eastern freeway to Doncaster was built to accommodate a train line but that didn't get far.
 
KnightersRevenge said:

OMG, that is just unbelievable... especially this part:

Its big drawback would appear to be that it doesn't cost enough. It is clear that the investment bankers and superannuation funds - which have incredible liquidity thanks to compulsory superannuation - are reluctant to invest in government bonds yielding about 4 per cent when they can bamboozle silly state governments into deals that can yield 8 to 12 per cent. They use the bogus argument that states shouldn't go into debt.

It defies logic. The government is paying $650 million a year for a desalination plant for no water. Even now, the government could refinance the debt with long term, 25-year bonds at 4 per cent. This would cost $380 million a year. The net saving would free up $270 million a year - enough to finance the Doncaster railway and to replace 50 suburban level crossings, and leave money to spare.
 
Agree Evo. I also love Ken Davidson's scathing articles on the Desal Plant.

Not sure that any of the politicians value his opinion. They certainly don't take his advice.
 
more evidence in todays age that the east-west link is a dud project. it's a shame that charges on geoff shaw were dropped as it might have brought about an early election and naphine might have been kicked out before he could give the project the green light.
 
Ian4 said:
more evidence in todays age that the east-west link is a dud project. it's a shame that charges on geoff shaw were dropped as it might have brought about an early election and naphine might have been kicked out before he could give the project the green light.

The upside, I believe, is that Shaw can still cause this to happen by siding against the Libs and maintaining his stance on the Speaker, Ken Smith.

fingers crossed hey!
 
Ian4 said:
more evidence in todays age that the east-west link is a dud project. it's a shame that charges on geoff shaw were dropped as it might have brought about an early election and naphine might have been kicked out before he could give the project the green light.

What's a shame is that the Motoring Enthusiasts Party will have a federal senator shortly but we can't manage the political will to push the state government a very important and relevent issue like public transport.