I wouldn't go quite that far. Although I would acknowledge there does seem to be huge double standards developing. Where if a gay man were to engage in certain acts in public, anyone frowning upon it is thought of as a intolerant bigot. But a straight man engaging in similar behaviour would be (rightly by the way) considered the dirtiest perve in the world.LeeToRainesToRoach said:
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jb03 said:
Just stating what happened jimbob. Started OK, they kissed each other on the lips a few times.....no worries....but the squeezing part was a bit too sleazy.
seen a couple of straight drunken late night gropes on the train in my time that we'rent real appetising. One involved a pie in one hand of the bloke.
I don't know which made more people smile, the YES verdict or Italy failing to make the World Cup finals. :hihi
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tigersnake said:
Pie-groping Im fine with. Ive got friends who Im pretty sure grope with pie-in-hand sometimes.
They are nice people.
As long as they dont try grope me with a pie, Ive got no problem with it.
Interestingly Baloo, I did see exactly that on a metro train when backpacking in Boston in the US about 12 years ago. Two girls really going for it on the station platform and continued it once they got on the train. Pretty heavy kissing with much tongue work going on and a fair bit of groping going on too. Plenty of people giving them filthy death stares, with the people showing the most absolute disgust for it generally the African American women on the train - they were the ones audibly expressing their contempt for it.Baloo said:
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
I know you are trolling but still.
Homosexuality is no longer classified as illegal or a mental illness (not that it was ever those things but still). And I'm pretty sure mild public displays of affection are accepted as ok (if it was a woman fondling man boob you wouldn't bat an eyelid). So how do you define such behaviour as deviant?
Baloo said:
In Melb east suburbs you can easily be in a train carriage with 90% Chinese And Indian ethnic background. Pop mix is changing fast. With both groups very education and achievement focussed will be interesting to see if footy can grab their hearts minds and wallets over the coming decade or will it be a quaint diversion of their adopted country. Judging by the number of satellite dishes around the suburbs I think it's a long battle.
MD Jazz said:
deviant
adjective
1 Departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behaviour.
1.5% of the population...
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
key word there is accepted norms. Norms change. Just because something is a minority does not mean it isn't accepted. Oral sex was once considered deviant behaviour, but I hear that most people are open to giving it a go these days. likewise sexual relations out of wedlock, inter-racial relationships and homosexuality. So by defintion, it isn't deviant anymore. Some conservatives might wish it was, and might think its distasteful or whatever, but by the strict definition, it isn't deviant. And besides its closer to 8%, depending on how you define gay.
also, if we're talking strict definitions, deviant doesn't necessarily mean bad or disgusting or whatever. In regular usage it is often used as meaning bad, but in legal and academic terms it isn't, It just means being outside the bounds of what is considered normal. It can be bad of course, most serial killers are sexual deviants, but it can be harmless, like a shoe fetish, or a four'n'twenty pie fetish.
tigersnake said:
That's at the heart of the survey question: what's acceptable, and should the boundaries be pushed out (and by extension, where does this process end)?. Opinions are going to vary greatly.
