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Luke McGuane
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Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Yes it would appear Dimma rates him ahead of Post, Rance and Thursfield but Rance wasn't playing key back but up forward and Post, in his 2nd season, has been ordinary in the VFL and form hasn't warranted senior games and he too has been playing up forward. Polaks been playing ruck/forward too.
I'm led to beleive that Thursfield was dropped for "balance" reasons but granted McGuane was chosen ahead of him. Maybe one could say Lukey's getting a game because there's no better option?
Look, if the best we can opine about Luke is his "Guts" then that's a bad sign...IMO. Same thing was said about Hartigan, Fleming, Zantuck ...
Tigers of Old said:
Yes it would appear Dimma rates him ahead of Post, Rance and Thursfield but Rance wasn't playing key back but up forward and Post, in his 2nd season, has been ordinary in the VFL and form hasn't warranted senior games and he too has been playing up forward. Polaks been playing ruck/forward too.
I'm led to beleive that Thursfield was dropped for "balance" reasons but granted McGuane was chosen ahead of him. Maybe one could say Lukey's getting a game because there's no better option?
Look, if the best we can opine about Luke is his "Guts" then that's a bad sign...IMO. Same thing was said about Hartigan, Fleming, Zantuck ...
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
This is a point worth pursuing.
My impression of McGuane is that he is a very determined guy who works hard during games. He is always prepared to leave his man to get to a contest and generally at least breaks even against top-level players. I'm not sure that he is the answer against the Jonathan Browns and Barry Halls of this world but he is certainly a strong defender.
He also has age on his side, still being 23 making him a player who is entering his prime years and we haven't seen the best yet.
On the downside, his disposal is dodgy and his awareness is poor. He is a bit of a perennial turnover king. Generally, his turnovers occur when he tries to effect a switch across the back-line, where he is let down by a combination of dodgy kicking, playing on when under pressure or by panicking and triggering a game of "hot potato" which will inevitably lead to a shot on goal.
This problem is easily fixed by instructing him to go down the line when in doubt and kick to a contest near the boundary which will probably result in a stoppage. Currently, he is being encouraged to take the riskier, but potentially more productive path of going for the switch. This is as it should be, he is a young player who still needs to practice and improve his skills. The whole team is going through a learning phase, so we will have to put up with McGuane and his goofy attempts to switch play for a bit longer.
Long term, he will either improve in this area, be replaced in the team by a better option who can match his defensive strengths but also be more creative or, if he finds himself in a more successful team pushing for finals but still hasn't overcome his weakness, he will be instructed to kick down the line most of the time. Problem solved.
The good will outweigh the bad over time.
Smoking Aces said:
This is a point worth pursuing.
My impression of McGuane is that he is a very determined guy who works hard during games. He is always prepared to leave his man to get to a contest and generally at least breaks even against top-level players. I'm not sure that he is the answer against the Jonathan Browns and Barry Halls of this world but he is certainly a strong defender.
He also has age on his side, still being 23 making him a player who is entering his prime years and we haven't seen the best yet.
On the downside, his disposal is dodgy and his awareness is poor. He is a bit of a perennial turnover king. Generally, his turnovers occur when he tries to effect a switch across the back-line, where he is let down by a combination of dodgy kicking, playing on when under pressure or by panicking and triggering a game of "hot potato" which will inevitably lead to a shot on goal.
This problem is easily fixed by instructing him to go down the line when in doubt and kick to a contest near the boundary which will probably result in a stoppage. Currently, he is being encouraged to take the riskier, but potentially more productive path of going for the switch. This is as it should be, he is a young player who still needs to practice and improve his skills. The whole team is going through a learning phase, so we will have to put up with McGuane and his goofy attempts to switch play for a bit longer.
Long term, he will either improve in this area, be replaced in the team by a better option who can match his defensive strengths but also be more creative or, if he finds himself in a more successful team pushing for finals but still hasn't overcome his weakness, he will be instructed to kick down the line most of the time. Problem solved.
The good will outweigh the bad over time.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
He would be more effective kicking a torpedo into the corridor to be honest instead of trying to pick out players from the backline. With our ruck situation its a bit hard to allow that, as the ball will come straight back.
He would be more effective kicking a torpedo into the corridor to be honest instead of trying to pick out players from the backline. With our ruck situation its a bit hard to allow that, as the ball will come straight back.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Agree, but I can only assume he's being told to switch the play by the coaches. For him to stay in the squad when Willy T gets dropped can only mean McGuane is doing, or at least attempting to do what the coaches want of him. We may cringe everytime he attempts it but he just following orders.
Jason King said:
Agree, but I can only assume he's being told to switch the play by the coaches. For him to stay in the squad when Willy T gets dropped can only mean McGuane is doing, or at least attempting to do what the coaches want of him. We may cringe everytime he attempts it but he just following orders.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
It appears some think we need 22 All Australians to be a force. The calls for McGuane to be delisted or traded, are ridiculous at the moment. He may be replaced in time if we find better KPDs but at the moment he clearly in our best 2 by a long long way, even probably our best KPD.
yes he does turn it over sometimes, yes sometimes we all cringe when he kicks, or doesnt kick, but what he does is stop his opponent kicking goals.
If Zac Dawson (poor Zac, always picked on) can be full back in a grand final team, im pretty sure McGuane can be too.
It appears some think we need 22 All Australians to be a force. The calls for McGuane to be delisted or traded, are ridiculous at the moment. He may be replaced in time if we find better KPDs but at the moment he clearly in our best 2 by a long long way, even probably our best KPD.
yes he does turn it over sometimes, yes sometimes we all cringe when he kicks, or doesnt kick, but what he does is stop his opponent kicking goals.
If Zac Dawson (poor Zac, always picked on) can be full back in a grand final team, im pretty sure McGuane can be too.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
True though with respect they are all on ballers. Gaspar is a closer comparison with Luke.
tigertim said:
True though with respect they are all on ballers. Gaspar is a closer comparison with Luke.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
I think a few think the best thing we can opine about Luke is that he doesnt get many goals kicked on him, by the best forwards in the league.
is that a bad sign?
Dont think the same was said about the others. (also not sure Zantuck fits in that category)
tigertim said:
I think a few think the best thing we can opine about Luke is that he doesnt get many goals kicked on him, by the best forwards in the league.
is that a bad sign?
Dont think the same was said about the others. (also not sure Zantuck fits in that category)
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
You know, that statement is EXACTLY what I have been thinking for a while. Some want every player to be an All Australian and it gets frustrating.
We have a team where every bloke will play a role, and if they can all play that role it will go along way to achieving the gameplan the coaching staff want. Of course, we need to improve certain area's, but good luck trying to be a youngster making a way in the side if you have some deficiencies, the ferals will be out to get you.
What has impressed me most is the fact we have the lesser lights showing some improvement, it's enjoyable to see and shows some real coaching and development has been going on, and it's only been what 8 months? I look forward to further development in more players during the later part of this season.
Brodders17 said:
You know, that statement is EXACTLY what I have been thinking for a while. Some want every player to be an All Australian and it gets frustrating.
We have a team where every bloke will play a role, and if they can all play that role it will go along way to achieving the gameplan the coaching staff want. Of course, we need to improve certain area's, but good luck trying to be a youngster making a way in the side if you have some deficiencies, the ferals will be out to get you.
What has impressed me most is the fact we have the lesser lights showing some improvement, it's enjoyable to see and shows some real coaching and development has been going on, and it's only been what 8 months? I look forward to further development in more players during the later part of this season.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
A lot of love in the air lately with McGuane. He nearly leaves his gonads at football park and all of a sudden he becomes a hero.
Skills is what it's about, and that is what's going to win you games against the top 4 sides.
OK, everyone can wake up now.
A lot of love in the air lately with McGuane. He nearly leaves his gonads at football park and all of a sudden he becomes a hero.
Skills is what it's about, and that is what's going to win you games against the top 4 sides.
OK, everyone can wake up now.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
disagree. i think a few have had the same opinion for a while. i certainly have.
some like our KPDs to be able to stop opposition forwards. still a big part of the game.
geoffryprettyboy said:
disagree. i think a few have had the same opinion for a while. i certainly have.
some like our KPDs to be able to stop opposition forwards. still a big part of the game.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
So the numbers don't sway you (ie he's in the company of Lids and Newman for goal-costing turnovers) and neither does the emotional stuff?
Move on
geoffryprettyboy said:
So the numbers don't sway you (ie he's in the company of Lids and Newman for goal-costing turnovers) and neither does the emotional stuff?
Move on
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Would be nice to see a comparison between him and Duston Fletcher in terms of their goals conceeded and turnovers at the same age.
Would be nice to see a comparison between him and Duston Fletcher in terms of their goals conceeded and turnovers at the same age.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Fletcher had the luxury of playing the game in his early years when the full on running game was in it's infancy. Had they both started at the same time I'd be surprised if there would be much difference.
Jason King said:
Fletcher had the luxury of playing the game in his early years when the full on running game was in it's infancy. Had they both started at the same time I'd be surprised if there would be much difference.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
and to think one is lauded as an all time great (lol) and the other isnt percieved fit enough to peel the oranges!
Baloo said:
and to think one is lauded as an all time great (lol) and the other isnt percieved fit enough to peel the oranges!
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
McGuane will be moved on before Deledio & Newman. McGuane is unco-ordinated and has poorer skills than the two you have mentioned.
lukeanddad said:
McGuane will be moved on before Deledio & Newman. McGuane is unco-ordinated and has poorer skills than the two you have mentioned.
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