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Luke McGuane
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Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
As long as DH makes the same statement to when Tambling was dropped and apologise for playing McGuane in a position that clearly he isn,t suited too.Mr Magic said:
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
You can not have McGuane Moore & Willy T in the same team,
I would cut one this year, and one of the remaining next year............we desparently need 2 x tall defenders in the next couple of seasons or we are shot.
All three for mine are duds.
You can not have McGuane Moore & Willy T in the same team,
I would cut one this year, and one of the remaining next year............we desparently need 2 x tall defenders in the next couple of seasons or we are shot.
All three for mine are duds.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
I haven't seen yesterday's game but Kel's stats certainly don't indicate dud-status. He had our highest disposal efficiency with 95% of his 20 possessions. Throw in 11 marks, 3 tackles, 5 contested possessions and 6x1%ers and it seems he had a decent day. Did he play well or was he ordinary?
daoula said:
I haven't seen yesterday's game but Kel's stats certainly don't indicate dud-status. He had our highest disposal efficiency with 95% of his 20 possessions. Throw in 11 marks, 3 tackles, 5 contested possessions and 6x1%ers and it seems he had a decent day. Did he play well or was he ordinary?
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Not much support for McGuane after his display this week, not even from his most ardent defenders.
I'm surprised because I think he's been crucified by DH playing him forward. His only position on the ground is as a key defender (even though I don't rate him or want him playing there). He has no smarts or awareness for a forward post, twice he got in Jack's way and prevented him marking. Doesn't make position or use space well. Needs an opponent to lead him to the ball to have any impact on a contest. Even though I don't rate him I think DH has been unfair on him, ridiculous to play him as a key forward instead of Post.
tigertim said:
Not much support for McGuane after his display this week, not even from his most ardent defenders.
I'm surprised because I think he's been crucified by DH playing him forward. His only position on the ground is as a key defender (even though I don't rate him or want him playing there). He has no smarts or awareness for a forward post, twice he got in Jack's way and prevented him marking. Doesn't make position or use space well. Needs an opponent to lead him to the ball to have any impact on a contest. Even though I don't rate him I think DH has been unfair on him, ridiculous to play him as a key forward instead of Post.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Well we have Astbury in the oven cooking, the kid looks to be a mesomorph and will develop nicely. McGuane, an ectomorph lacks the speed and skill to be any sort of dangerous player and has shown that he does not have the nous to play up forward. Grimes is another that we have seen via Coburg who shows potential, is about 193 and is a potential replacement for McGuane but looks to me to have the same body type, however has the speed, and better skills. There's two already. Throw Post in once he gets his head right and we have a backline for the future, add in draftees that may be picked up over the next two years and we are on the right track.
daoula said:
Well we have Astbury in the oven cooking, the kid looks to be a mesomorph and will develop nicely. McGuane, an ectomorph lacks the speed and skill to be any sort of dangerous player and has shown that he does not have the nous to play up forward. Grimes is another that we have seen via Coburg who shows potential, is about 193 and is a potential replacement for McGuane but looks to me to have the same body type, however has the speed, and better skills. There's two already. Throw Post in once he gets his head right and we have a backline for the future, add in draftees that may be picked up over the next two years and we are on the right track.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Sorry, Moore is not a dud. He is easily the best out of those 3 players. Thursfield has played some excellent games stopping opponents but seems to be limited in most other areas. mcGuane well he's a trier is the best you can really say. His grip on a backline position seems to be loosening. and as other younger players mature and make their mark, you'd have to expect him to find it tough to maintain aplace in the top 22.
daoula said:
Sorry, Moore is not a dud. He is easily the best out of those 3 players. Thursfield has played some excellent games stopping opponents but seems to be limited in most other areas. mcGuane well he's a trier is the best you can really say. His grip on a backline position seems to be loosening. and as other younger players mature and make their mark, you'd have to expect him to find it tough to maintain aplace in the top 22.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Both of you are making the same mistake. Those that like McGuane aren't fanatical about it. Very unlike those that have him as their "Dud" who refuse to see anything good in him and continue to take shots at him.
As an unashamed McGuane fan, I'll be the first to say that if the footy department see Luke's future as a forward, then he needs to be on the trade or delist list at the end of this season. Lukes our best defender, but he's a crap forward.
Big Cat Lover said:
Both of you are making the same mistake. Those that like McGuane aren't fanatical about it. Very unlike those that have him as their "Dud" who refuse to see anything good in him and continue to take shots at him.
As an unashamed McGuane fan, I'll be the first to say that if the footy department see Luke's future as a forward, then he needs to be on the trade or delist list at the end of this season. Lukes our best defender, but he's a crap forward.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
McGuane & Willy T are similar type players. They both have skinny bodies that haven't filled out. They're good at spoiling but their skill levels aren't too crash hot.
IMO i think we will keep one and move the other on end of season.
Also think you're being too hard on Moore.
daoula said:
McGuane & Willy T are similar type players. They both have skinny bodies that haven't filled out. They're good at spoiling but their skill levels aren't too crash hot.
IMO i think we will keep one and move the other on end of season.
Also think you're being too hard on Moore.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Fit, Moore is streets ahead of Luke as our best backman. However, you need more than one key backman and McGuane has certainly been in our best 3 key backmen in the last 3 or so years and has deserved his position. However the wheels are turning and the pressure is building for positions.
Baloo said:
Fit, Moore is streets ahead of Luke as our best backman. However, you need more than one key backman and McGuane has certainly been in our best 3 key backmen in the last 3 or so years and has deserved his position. However the wheels are turning and the pressure is building for positions.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Going to be very hard to trade him given he has an extra 2 years to run on his contract after this. First we have to convince some club to take on a dud then on top of that the contract he has. Another bad move by CC if true.
Will be a list clogger wasting away in the VFL for a couple of years now.
Going to be very hard to trade him given he has an extra 2 years to run on his contract after this. First we have to convince some club to take on a dud then on top of that the contract he has. Another bad move by CC if true.
Will be a list clogger wasting away in the VFL for a couple of years now.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
IYO he's our best, obviously not according to the coach - surely he would be locked in at CHB if he's our best defender?
How do you judge them? IMO Thursfield's a better spoiler, gives away less frees, and concedes similar goals. Thursfield less inclined to panic under pressure and put a teammate under more pressure. Moore a better rebounder.
Don't think the coaching staff agree with your assessment, I definitely don't agree with it and I doubt too much interest for Luke from other clubs.
Baloo said:
IYO he's our best, obviously not according to the coach - surely he would be locked in at CHB if he's our best defender?
How do you judge them? IMO Thursfield's a better spoiler, gives away less frees, and concedes similar goals. Thursfield less inclined to panic under pressure and put a teammate under more pressure. Moore a better rebounder.
Don't think the coaching staff agree with your assessment, I definitely don't agree with it and I doubt too much interest for Luke from other clubs.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
That's the beauty of forums right ? Having a different opinion of players ? Luke is the only one we have who can take on the gorilla forwards. Willy T can't. Neither can Moore. Are they shuffling Luke and Will around because they don't like them down back, or because we have no better option in our squad (looks like they don't rate Post or Gourdis as tall forwards) ? I think it's the latter and they are choosing to leave Astbury down there for his development.
I don't think they've written Luke or Willy T off yet. If they had of then your poster boy Gourdis would have played a hand full of matches by now. But he hasn't.
Big Cat Lover said:
That's the beauty of forums right ? Having a different opinion of players ? Luke is the only one we have who can take on the gorilla forwards. Willy T can't. Neither can Moore. Are they shuffling Luke and Will around because they don't like them down back, or because we have no better option in our squad (looks like they don't rate Post or Gourdis as tall forwards) ? I think it's the latter and they are choosing to leave Astbury down there for his development.
I don't think they've written Luke or Willy T off yet. If they had of then your poster boy Gourdis would have played a hand full of matches by now. But he hasn't.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Not necessarily. You can't state that for sure. They may be trying to build their trade value with the aim of trading 1 or 2 both of Thursfield/McGuane at the end of the year and not destroy it by dropping them to the 2's from the 15th placed team in the AFL. They may been trying to try them in different positions ie up forward to see if they can add another string to their bow because they think there's better options up back for the future. They may have not played Gourdis yet because they have seen enough improvement in the 2's to keep him on as a rookie for another year or upgrade him to the senior list at the end of the year and that's why they're taking it slow with him.
Baloo said:
Not necessarily. You can't state that for sure. They may be trying to build their trade value with the aim of trading 1 or 2 both of Thursfield/McGuane at the end of the year and not destroy it by dropping them to the 2's from the 15th placed team in the AFL. They may been trying to try them in different positions ie up forward to see if they can add another string to their bow because they think there's better options up back for the future. They may have not played Gourdis yet because they have seen enough improvement in the 2's to keep him on as a rookie for another year or upgrade him to the senior list at the end of the year and that's why they're taking it slow with him.
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