Little things that annoy you....

[Mr Brightside]

Try driving a truck in the Alpine shire where there are thousands of cyclists riding the hills , must be seen to believed, honestly can't tell you how many times it's been a very close call and it's only because of my professionalism as a driver that I haven't been involved in a fatality with a cyclist yet. The arrogance of Cyclists up here is crazy and the impatience and frustration ( though understandable) of the motorists is bloody dangerous.

There was a death of a cyclist up here last week and not 20 metres from where he was killed is a bike track, there a tracks everywhere up here , but most cyclists refuse to use them. Mates are cyclists and there excuses for not using them a simply bull sh!t.

For you cyclists ( and motorists) just remember a 20 tonne truck cant stop on a dime and for the sake of the bit of momentum you lose at a roundabout, better to lose 5 seconds then your life..

Patience on the road people, we all share it , nobody owns it themselves.

 

[jb03]

Try driving a truck in the Alpine shire where there are thousands of cyclists riding the hills , must be seen to believed, honestly can't tell you how many times it's been a very close call and it's only because of my professionalism as a driver that I haven't been involved in a fatality with a cyclist yet. The arrogance of Cyclists up here is crazy and the impatience and frustration ( though understandable) of the motorists is bloody dangerous.

There was a death of a cyclist up here last week and not 20 metres from where he was killed is a bike track, there a tracks everywhere up here , but most cyclists refuse to use them. Mates are cyclists and there excuses for not using them a simply bull sh!t.

For you cyclists ( and motorists) just remember a 20 tonne truck can stop on a dime and for the sake of the bit of momentum you lose at a roundabout, better to lose 5 seconds then your life..

Patience on the road people, we all share it , nobody owns it themselves.

You must be mighty skillful CC to be make that 20 tonne truck stop on a dime.

 

[tigersnake]

Patience on the road people, we all share it , nobody owns it themselves.

agree.

Also, back to the aggression thing, everyone makes mistakes. We all make mistakes. If I make a mistake and annoy someone I try to catch their eye to apologise. And if someone makes a mistake that affects me, cie la vie, were all human. No need to wave your arms and abuse and carry on. (I used to, until I realised, 'oh, I've done that myself once or twice'). I've only ever had 1 accident in 29 years, and that was when I was 18 and not a bad one, but I make the odd mistake. Go to change lanes before I realise someone is in my blind spot and abort, decide to turn at the last minute and don't indicate etc, its rare, but I've done it

 

[Baloo]

Extremely relevant

http://www.iwillride.org/what-200-people-look-like-driving-cars-vs-riding-bikes-bus-and-light-rail/

 

[Mr Brightside]

You must be mighty skillful CC to be make that 20 tonne truck stop on a dime.

fixed

 

[waiting]

Ruby thanks for the offer but cycling doesn't interest me anymore on the roads.

I wouldn't need to cycle to see the other side, but if I did again I certainly would respect my place on the roads I use( which again I don't pay rego for but use and want the same respect, space, tolerance etc) to understand the gripe.

The cyclists on here obviously who are against what I wrote, thought, think etc have their views and us motorists, truck drivers and motorbike riders( who pay their rego, the right to use the roads) we have our view , a happy medium has to be reached. True their our us out there , vehicles that do the wrong thing, we have a chance of survival but what I see cyclists doing and their behaviour is beyond me. Knowing that a cyclist vs a car the cyclist in an accident will come out in most cases dead.

These are my views. As I said from the outset I would upset the cyclists on PRE, but if you can say your behaviour on the roads is exemplary then good for you.

I'm not even talking what they do on the roads when there are cars around but how they cycle when pedestrians are about , especially in the city.

I said how I felt . Let's leave it there and see what Govts can do and relevant Road Authorities.

There is angst out there!

 

[gutfull]

Can some one enlighten me !! If bikes use the roads WHY don't they pay road tax and registration fees?.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Can some one enlighten me !! If bikes use the roads WHY don't they pay road tax and registration fees?.

This is just such nonsense.

I'm amazed how many people don't even understand what rego is, or pays for.

Registration is calculated based on how much damage a vehicle does to the roads, based on weight. The amount a cyclist would have to pay, based on the same calculation, doesn't cover the cost of the administration to file it.

They've calculated that in order to register cyclists ALL road users would have to pay more to cover costs. I wonder how all these frustrated drivers would feel knowing they're actually paying for those cyclists to be on the road.

In addition, the 35 per cent of city teenagers who ride to school would be adding yet another cost of living for their families who would have to pay for each of the four or five bikes in their backyard.

"But they can just use bike paths! " Unfortunately, there's another added cost of designing and building teleporters to get the bikes to and from the bike paths.

To repeat, when a person pays their taxes, they pay to build roads. In the same way that pedestrians don't pay to use footpaths, it makes no sense to charge cyclists to use roads. And, in all seriousness, who are the people really campaigning for another level of unnecessary government regulation? Another unnecessary fee?

I can't think of any actual reason for cyclists to be registered. It doesn't solve any problems or issues, and actually causes a fair few in and of itself. Let alone the damage it would do to traffic congestion and the environment, and cost of living.

Some seem to think paying rego gives them ownership of the road... but only when they are in their car. It doesn't. Paying rego for your motor vehicle simply offsets some of the damage done by your motor vehicle. Although, not as much as paying rego for your motor vehicle, and then cycling instead.

 

[jb03]

fixed

 

[Tigers of Old]

Extremely relevant

http://www.iwillride.org/what-200-people-look-like-driving-cars-vs-riding-bikes-bus-and-light-rail/

Can you please show us a picture of what cyclists using bike paths instead of roads looks like because I've rarely seen it near where I live.

Bike paths are named as such and built for a reason but selfish cyclists would rather slow down a convoy of cars and create an unsafe situation rather than use them because they're not quite as quick for them. It's bloody frustrating and dangerous. They should use paths where possible but don't.

 

[Brodders17]

The cyclists on here obviously who are against what I wrote, thought, think etc have their views and us motorists, truck drivers and motorbike riders( who pay their rego, the right to use the roads) we have our view , a happy medium has to be reached.

I am a "motorist" and an occasional "cyclist"- never on city roads- where I live there are lots of recreational and sports cyclists on the roads, but I disagree with your view.

 

[Brodders17]

Can you please show us a picture of what cyclists using bike paths instead of roads looks like because I've rarely seen it near where I live.

Bike paths are named as such and built for a reason but selfish cyclists would rather slow down a convoy of cars and create an unsafe situation rather than use them because they're not quite as quick for them. It's bloody frustrating and dangerous. They should use paths where possible but don't.

I would always prefer to use a bike path than a city road if I was riding, but from what I see and understand, many bike paths are not suitable for riding at speed, not are they necessarily suitable for road bikes.
many have blind corners are narrow, have slow riders and walkers, and are not the direct routes a cyclist may need.
but people expect cyclists to go out of their way, and ride either a lot slower or unsafely so they do not cause any inconvenience for people driving cars. most people riding bikes on the road rather than a bike path do so for valid reasons.

 

[Rosy]

This is just such nonsense.

I'm amazed how many people don't even understand what rego is, or pays for.

Registration is calculated based on how much damage a vehicle does to the roads, based on weight. The amount a cyclist would have to pay, based on the same calculation, doesn't cover the cost of the administration to file it.

They've calculated that in order to register cyclists ALL road users would have to pay more to cover costs. I wonder how all these frustrated drivers would feel knowing they're actually paying for those cyclists to be on the road.

In addition, the 35 per cent of city teenagers who ride to school would be adding yet another cost of living for their families who would have to pay for each of the four or five bikes in their backyard.

"But they can just use bike paths! " Unfortunately, there's another added cost of designing and building teleporters to get the bikes to and from the bike paths.

To repeat, when a person pays their taxes, they pay to build roads. In the same way that pedestrians don't pay to use footpaths, it makes no sense to charge cyclists to use roads. And, in all seriousness, who are the people really campaigning for another level of unnecessary government regulation? Another unnecessary fee?

I can't think of any actual reason for cyclists to be registered. It doesn't solve any problems or issues, and actually causes a fair few in and of itself. Let alone the damage it would do to traffic congestion and the environment, and cost of living.

Some seem to think paying rego gives them ownership of the road... but only when they are in their car. It doesn't. Paying rego for your motor vehicle simply offsets some of the damage done by your motor vehicle. Although, not as much as paying rego for your motor vehicle, and then cycling instead.

Your comments seem to be at odds with the following Coburg. Also you haven't addressed the compulsory TAC component of registration to cover human injury on the roads.

The original figures released by the government said total registration fees would be $791, however a correction was later issues showing the correct figure of $744.50.

Treasurer Michael O’Brien said he understood the measure would not be welcomed by motorists, but it was important the government presented a responsible budget that enabled it to pay for infrastructure upgrades.

“The $25 fee increase for motor vehicle registration amounts to less than 50 cents a week,” he said.

“We appreciate that any increase in car rego is not likely to be welcomed, but we do note that we will be delivering major transport infrastructure in this budget that will be of direct benefit to Victorians.”

The stamp duty increase will raise $37.5 million in 2014/15, while the light vehicle registration fee increase will raise $99.3 million.

Mr O’Brien said Victoria’s share of GST revenue was to blame for the registration and stamp duty increases.

Victoria’s GST share is down from 90 cents in the dollar to 88 cents, creating a $286 million shortfall, he said.

The additional charges would fund major transport infrastructure projects to be announced in the May 6 budget, and support opportunities for workers in Victoria’s ailing car industry, he said. Link

 

[Rosy]

I would always prefer to use a bike path than a city road if I was riding, but from what I see and understand, many bike paths are not suitable for riding at speed, not are they necessarily suitable for road bikes.
many have blind corners are narrow, have slow riders and walkers, and are not the direct routes a cyclist may need.
but people expect cyclists to go out of their way, and ride either a lot slower or unsafely so they do not cause any inconvenience for people driving cars. most people riding bikes on the road rather than a bike path do so for valid reasons.

I wonder what the valid reasons are for the Saturday mobs of cyclists between Kinglake West and Whittlesea, who ride a few abreast beside double lines. Impossible to overtake them without breaking the law. Very dangerous.

 

[gutfull]

Here's a free tip for bike lovers BUY a car or get on a bus !!
Am l missing something here ?.

 

[Rosy]

Here's a free tip for bike lovers BUY a car or get on a bus !!
Am l missing something here ?.

Not sure really gutful. I think I'm missing your point. :headscratch

 

[gutfull]

Why do people ride bikes ?
1/ To get fit
2/ Climate change supporter ?

 

[Baloo]

I reckon bikes vs cars deserves its own thread.

 

[poppa x]

Here's a free tip for bike lovers BUY a car or get on a bus !!
Am l missing something here ?.

Lots.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Your comments seem to be at odds with the following Coburg. Also you haven't addressed the compulsory TAC component of registration to cover human injury on the roads.

That weird Napthine plan was a ploy to pull revenue out of motorists to subsidise their own waste of tax payer money on building unnecessary roads. Which is where funds for infrastructure actually come from, the taxpayer.


On Car Rego, most of the amount ($493.90) for city drivers of your standard 5 seater car, goes toward TAC insurance, which is a premium calculated on how likely a motor vehicle is to cause personal injury (cyclists are obviously statistically negligible for causing personal injury on roads).

The rest is a registration fee collected for road maintenance based on the weight of the vehicle ($277 for your standard five seater). This drops to $55.50 for motorcyclists, and again, a negligible amount for cyclists.

It's estimated that to set up rego for cyclists, that fits in, and would be logically affordable to a family with 4 or 5 bikes, it would have to covered by increasing rego for ALL road users.

Let alone the stupidity of being the only country in the world to introduce such a scheme, which solves literally zero problems, requires massive increases in regulation and policing, and disincentives a method of transport the city actually NEEDS to continue to function. All while adding an unnecessary cost of living to those who can least afford it.

Links :https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/registration-fees/vehicle-registration-fees

http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/about-the-tac/our-organisation/transport-accident-charge

http://www.executivestyle.com.au/why-cyclists-should-never-pay-rego-20bk6