Agree, though it's unlikely McBean will be at Punt road next year, Griffiths performance last night deserves dropping.RICHO_12 said:
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Liam McBean
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Wonder if 4 goals is enough to get recalled next week?
If Vickery kicked 4 goals in the VFL, he would have been whisked straight back.
If Vickery kicked 4 goals in the VFL, he would have been whisked straight back.
thejinx said:
Maybe the heat is on Griff now. Worth seeing what a Jack, Vickery, Beanie combo looks like
Problem is the Beanie's had four years n only managed five games. Apart from when he had his shoulders reco'd Ty has managed to play senior footy and contribute fairly well virtually since he started his first year.thejinx said:
The way Beanie's travelling it will take him eighty years to clock up a hundred games, wonder if he'll get on the weights n build some upper body before then? ;D.
Not sure what condition Griff's groins are in, but he was hobbling down the race after the game so perhaps he might get a spell against the Cats. Happy for Beanie to get another chance for a few games to finish the season, he's still young enough to push up a big pre season over summer n chase after a senior spot for next year. If he's not traded or delisted there wouldn't be any issues giving him another year on the list.
TigerMasochist said:
Serious? Vickery has averaged 10 disposals, 3.9 marks, half a contested mark, 1.3 goals, 1.9 tackles, 6.7 hitouts over his career. A lot of his career he has not contributed to minimum standards yet he's now played 118 games. He's lucky he played with the Tigers is all I can say.
TigerMasochist said:
The problem is Vickery has been gifted games by Hardwick, for not much return. If Vickery and Bean leave the club, that investment will have backfired. Adding to the insult, we'll have turned a top 10 pick into a second rounder with 120 games development.
We'll never know what bean would have been like with sixty games development at the top level, which is the crux of the problem.
The_General said:
It is beginning to look like McBean is a victim of a misguided mindset of those that recruited him and coach him.
He had obvious football skills and height and was recruited on the assumption that he would "fill out" and become a strong KPP up forward, well that has obviously not happened as his body shape has not developed to fit that role.
The problem is that instead of accepting that he is a tall football with above average smarts and using the attributes that he does have in the best possible way, the fixed mindset is still trying to make him fill a role that he is not suited to and those that keep trying to force this role on him keep failing in getting he best out of him for the team.
I do wonder when a club keeps trying to bash the proverbial "square peg into the round hole" and keeps failing in that endeavour if the player would be better off going somewhere else with the common sense to use what he is capable of doing rather than what he can't do.
He is just another Richmond "tall" that we have mishandled, Richmond have not developed any of their own decent tall KPPs since the era of Richo and Benny Gale so McBean is just one of many victims in a club that has been proven to be totally clueless in developing key talls for over 20 years.
David C said:
Top post David. 100% agree.
Hardwick is a 100% round peg coach. If he gets a square peg he tries to bash it in or shave off all the bits that make the square peg unique and /or eventually throws it away.
His tunnel vision in what he believes is right is his greatest weakness.
If he had a feel for the game and a non tin ear it might have been his greatest strtength.
lamb22 said:
Is it just me or is it possible that being a not very tall "nuggety" backman type of player with average skills gets you a lot more respect and understanding at Richmond than perhaps it should?
It wouldn't be a co-incidence that our current coach used to be that sort of player and our recruiting and game plan over the last 7 years seems to be built around a team with about 15 of these players and a few token talls mixed in to make up the numbers?
Baloo said:
Actually he is at fault in that he is hopeless at going from the main forward target at VFL level to a role at AFL level where it looks like he is told not to get in the way of Riewoldt or the other forwards, he has proven to be ineffective when put in that situation.
Unless he can adapt to being a fringe player that follows instructions and keeps out of the way of the established forwards and still make some sort of impact then he has little future in the current Richmond AFL setup.
Maybe it's time to try Beanie as a half back flanker, Dimma's failed miserably in trying to let the Beanie play as a forward instead of giving him a solid grounding off the back half where the ball can come to him instead of trying to work out when to come at the ball carriers.
Bloody obvious.
Bloody obvious.
David C said:
Except this is not true.
He's 21 years old, still has time to fill out and define a role for himself - he has been tried in a variety of positions/roles in the VFL sides. And he's been effective in the ressies playing essentially as a medium forward who kicks goals off the deck as well as from marks. When it's been pointed out to the followers of the cult of Bean that he really plays as a small/medium forward rather than a KPP, they froth and trot out contested mark stats.
Liam's key problem is that he's neither here nor there at the moment - can't ruck effectively, can't take big contested marks, and his medium sized forward game doesn't cut it at AFL level where defenders are bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter. He needs to get on top of this and find a role before time runs out. His inability to kick more than one goal in five outings at AFL level where he kicks many goals at VFL level prove this, albeit in a poor side with a poorly-functioning forward line.
There's still time for Liam, assuming he gets a new contract for next year. This might depend if Ty/Griff go or stay.
Agree that talls have not been well developed at RFC with the glaring exceptions of Jack and Alex of course, but try easing back on the relentless negativity sometimes old chap.
