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Justice?
- Thread starter Legends of 2017
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Liverpool said:
Man you can be literal when you want to! "Better" as in: if as everyone seems to agree that they aren't working (lots of recidivism) then we need to look at the whole system. Same with prevalence of drugs and gangs inside gaols. There has to be a better way, it isn't about privileges it is about the effectiveness of incarceration.
Brodders17 said:
It really wouldnt seem right to spread mental pedophile blood and bone on my corn. Theres all sorts of issues. Bits of hair and stuff could clog the spreader and there could be a weird vibe to how the corn eats. Maybe multinational corporate and corrupt government criminals would make better fertiliser. I reckon a Rupert Murdoch emulsion foliar spray would give the passionfruits a real kick aong.
rosy23 said:
I agree Rosy.
And as I’ve got older I’ve also come to the conclusion that there are some people who through the nature of their crimes simply don’t deserve another chance. For all the suffering they have caused there is no remedy, ever.
For example, what could anyone hope to achieve by attempting to rehabilitate a child rapist and murderer and why would anyone want to rehabilitate such an individual anyway?
When the gov can find a method of proving guilt which is 100% accurate, 100 % error proof then those individuals who commit the worst crimes should simply be removed from this planet.
Until then, their time in jail should never be made pleasant, ever.
Murder is murder, even State sanctioned murder.
So I oppose the death penalty.
But life must mean life for the worst offenders - no parole ever.
So I oppose the death penalty.
But life must mean life for the worst offenders - no parole ever.
Azza said:
If there's overwhelming evidence to convict then why bother with a trial? What usually happens in reality is that the victim/s are humiliated in court for months on end before a slap on the wrist is handed out to the perpetrator. It's time to take away rights from those in the wrong and empower those in the right.
Those who never have been touched by such crimes have little to no idea how insulting the judicial system is to victims. Pro-rights/civil libertarian types are as culpable as the scum they defend.
Brodders17 said:
It's all about equal opportunity isn't it? Claiming insanity or diminished responsibility is the "in thing" nowdays because everyone knows that it affords you a suspended sentence or some down time in a prison farm. If one is intelligent enough to commit the crime then they're treated as like the rest.
RfC77 said:
Naaaaa. Now your in "black hats and white hats" territory. The world just doesn't present itself in neat categories. Sure if the police arrive at a scene to see a perpetrator both instigate and commit a crime, and video it from several angles, then you might have an "open and shut case". But that just isn't how *smile* happens, and everywhere that doubt creeps in there is room for argument.
Well I have always thought that heading to gaol would act as a deterrent to committing crimes but a few people I now know feel quite differently. As one guy said...Azza said:
I get a bed and three meals a day, full health checks and when I come out the penalty sheet is clean.
People have very different 'thought processes' on committing crimes, going to gaol and then what happens when out, which I found really eye opening.
Relevant points you make knighter, there aren't many people who would commit such crimes in front of witnesses as it would defeat the purpose of committing the crime in the first place in most cases. In the past, a crime could be committed with virtually no trail left for the police to follow up but nowdays it's a case of "take your pick" in terms of evidence, with bank accounts, DNA, CCTV, car rego amongst many others. The big issue with the courts is that the defendent's lawyers are given too time to concoct the most ridiculous orations in the face of absolutely damning evidence - and that can be done away with. Why should victims, their families or anyone have to be subjected to listening to legal reps spin truckloads of BS? In the past 10-15 years there have been so many murders/rapes/molestings committed by REPEAT offenders who served sentences that would make a convicted tax-evader cry. How is it that they were allowed to reoffend? It is because they were given too many rights and weren't dealt with in a manner that serves in the best interests of the victims' and the greater public's safety. Let's take a pedophile's rehab for example.. were you aware that it is common practice regarding day release that the parole board deliberately and intentionally exposes them to children in public places in order to guage their reaction?. And identity supressions handed out at will to offenders? What the hell is going on with our society? Who exactly do we need to protect? I've been indirectly involved with a few serious cases concerning the 3 crimes I'm focussing on and nobody can appreciate the gravity of such emotion and injustice unless they have been personally involved in such cases themselves..those who do not know any different may as well be living out of a yurt on the Mongolian Steppes completely oblivious to what is going on.KnightersRevenge said:
K3 said:
Ive had some very illuminating conversation with ex-inmates K3, mostly picking up hitchhikers, which I always do unless they 1. obviously have a pump action shotgun stashed in their bed roll or 2. Reek of Patchouli when I ask them where they are going (I drive off).
The last ex-crim picked up himself (he literally jumped in my car right outside Grafton Prison - alot of strange things happen to me for some reason Ive never been able to grasp). He'd just got out after 2 years for "you dont wanna know'. Neck tatts, knuckles tatts, 20 years old. Started shitting myself and then we found some common ground and we relaxed. When I asked him how it was in there, he shrugged and said 'you keep ya head down'. He'd been reared pretty tough and was well equipped to cope. I ended up so comfortable, I was able to give the lad some fatherly advice on livin' when I dropped him off, whcih he seemed to appreciate.
poppa x said:
Are you a pacifist, poppa?
Agree, the death penalty is state sanctioned murder. But so is war. And I guess the difference between the state sanctioned murder of a child raping murderer and an individual in a war zone is that at least one of the deceased has been proven guilty of a terrible crime, a crime which is unfor-fckin-giveable.
In war, people like you and me and women and children, people who for the most part are good are murdered – no crime and without trial.
And I reckon as horrible as that sounds and is, if you accept that there are times when the state must go to war knowing that 1000’s of innocent people will die, then I reckon there’s a case for the state putting proven scum to the sword. The problem is ensuring an innocent person is never ever found guilty.
The thought that a person who has committed the worst of crimes causing a life time of suffering should ever find any kind consolation in anything at all, be it a hot meal, access to a tv, a book… whatever, is from my pov, grotesque.
