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Inspiring Ken Hinkley
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Ghost of Punt Road said:
ghost as u know that was 6 yrs ago, so ur basing your thoughts on a 1 min vid, he has been at geelong for 6 yrs and u just might think he has learnt a hell of a lot from bomber and/or implemented many of geelongs strategies too....
You also mention about needing more tactical nouse, so uve sat in with him at geelong listening to him articulate his game tactics to the players and seems you werent overly happy with all that and he's now off your list!
So what tactics was he putting across that you werent happy with, come on how would u know about his tactics or strategies, im actually curious....
Go Toigs! said:
Seems so TG. You'd think a guy who made a career out of skill rather than brawn had some footy smarts but some posters making him out to be Alan Killigrew.
His CV shows he can coach and he is involved as a high level coach in a team that has taken ball movement, possession and skill by foot and hand to a new level.
Now we wouldn't want any of that Geelong IP (and one of the guys who in fact IMPLEMENTED it) to reflect on the way we make decisions or run in support or defence or use the ball - perish the thought!!
K3 said:
Geelong do things slightly differently with their coaching set up, something I hope we emulate. They don't have forward and defence coaches, they have offensive and defensive coaches, who are responsible for offensive and defensive strategies across the entire team. Which makes sense in this day and age, the whole team is involved in offense and defense now.
Ghost of Punt Road
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AstuteTiger said:
Easy enough. He didn't mention WHY his team was so far behind at 3/4 time. Did he identify the problem? Did he identify a solution/s, and did he then successfully communicate this to the players, explaining where they were going wrong and what to do differently? Nope.
He basically told them to run around in circles, but HARDER.
In terms of his work at geelong, I consider that it is best not to confuse a mature team with good coaching. I think the coaches at Geelong are actually quite bad, and getting not much out of a mature and talented team.
Secondly, Offense is where Geelong is weakest.
If we end up with Hinkley it could be another 3 long wasted years. For mine the cats success came simply down to the players deciding to pull their fingers out and change their fortunes. The Cats coaching panel was shown up in last years Grand Final when the chips were down and the loss against Brisbane when missing some of their stars. Look at St Kilda and how they went with just as many players missing. The beat the Hawks!!!
I'm starting to think we are basically getting the best of a very ordinary bunch. We should of gone hard for Burns who is now an assistant at West Coast.
I'm starting to think we are basically getting the best of a very ordinary bunch. We should of gone hard for Burns who is now an assistant at West Coast.
Fortunately one way or the other I don't think the process will be decided by a 6 year old video.
If Hinkley is the man to get the gig, he deserves absolute support in his first two seasons to help try and turn this *smile* heap around.
Heck any of the remaining candidates do. It won't be an easy task.
If Hinkley is the man to get the gig, he deserves absolute support in his first two seasons to help try and turn this *smile* heap around.
Heck any of the remaining candidates do. It won't be an easy task.
Ghost of Punt Road said:
not sure what u mean here, his team wasnt behind they were actually up, so he just implored the boys to keep going...
In view of your 2nd point well its not really relivant as they were in front....., you said; WHY his team was so far behind at 3/4 time. Did he identify the problem? Did he identify a solution/s, and did he then successfully communicate this to the players, explaining where they were going wrong and what to do differently? Nope.
Anyway ghost like i said in my previous post it was 6 yrs ago u surely shouldnt be basing your "he's off my list" over a 1 min vid, he's now been at geelong for 6 yrs and i dare say he has developed considerably as an assistant coach, surely he wouldnt be at the club for 6 yrs if he's ideas and/or strategies werent some what responsible for the emerging cats....
Ghost, if you are employeed by a company as an assistant do u think after 6 yrs u would improve ur skill set after being groomed by a leading manager/executive.
Ghost of Punt Road said:
An oversight sure - but given they were in front at 3 qtr time I'm inclined to let him off on that one.
Ghost of Punt Road said:
Gee how many games does a side need to win before coaches get any credit. What is discernable however is that Geelong play on more and keep the ball in motion than any other side in history. Geelong also rack up unbelievable possession statistics, eclipsing any historcal precedents.
These do not come about by accident or just having a mature and talented team. they are strategic directions by the coaches. The 'mature and talented' team developed over time and is a better unit than when Hinkley as assistent joined 6 years ago. Your second point about Geelong's offence being the weakest is misguided. Hinkley is the attacking coach over all zones i.e attacking strategies in defence and midield, including the run to position out of defence, the creative moving of the ball from all zones generally - this is Geelong's major strength.
Link FYI BTW in his last 4 years of coaching his own team he had a 69 win 11 loss 3 draw record for 3 flags
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25543915-19742,00.html
