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Indigenous Voice Yes or No?
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I am going AWL next week on vacation with loved one to treasures of Maroochydore Bundaberg Gold Coast & dropping into La La Gather Land on the way back to paradise. Do hope one will find time to scrutinize the crap the Yea campers churn out especially on Dutton from the left wing true bluey's.
Lidia Thorpe at the moment. Though she hasn't said whether she will support the referendum (there is a strong belief she will), she's from the other side whether they want Treaty, Truth, then Voice.
Though I'd question whether Jacinta Price is considered an Indigenous Leader by many indigenous people. In fact we just had the entire NT Land Council, 90 of them, slat out state Price doesn't represent them nor does she speak for them. Same question could be asked of Warren Mundine.
A majority of First Nations people support the voice. Why don’t non-Indigenous Australians believe this? | Rebecca Huntley
There is a yawning gap between what First Nations Australians say and what non-Indigenous Australians believe
Council Members do not get paid. Don't know where you got the 'decent salary' from. Thats a rhetorical question by the way. So many people Involved? 90 councilors, working voluntarily, for an area of over 650,000 square kilometres, the bottom half of the NT? Too many? on the basis of what?Maybe having so many people on a council is part of the problem ,because money isn't .
I guess like most councils across Australia,councilors get a decent salary,and if Dutton had his way with a regional voice they wouldn't need so many people involved .
And the ABA, 1.5 billion. Wow thats a lot of money. Reminds me of Dr Evil in Austin Powers.
It seems to me the relationship between indigenous australians and non indigenous white Australians is deeply tarnished. No trust. The whole thing needs to be reworked. A new blueprint.
The Voice appears to be such a small humble offering yet it is met with a level of suspicion and cynicism and bad faith that one would think it would somehow make matters worse. Our lack of imagination dooms us.
I'd be happy to see the Australian gov financing indigenous Australians to becoming almost independent. Basically over time every aspect of life for indigenous Australians including the sciences should be carried out by indigenous people. No white faces neccessary. What would be the harm in that?
The Voice appears to be such a small humble offering yet it is met with a level of suspicion and cynicism and bad faith that one would think it would somehow make matters worse. Our lack of imagination dooms us.
I'd be happy to see the Australian gov financing indigenous Australians to becoming almost independent. Basically over time every aspect of life for indigenous Australians including the sciences should be carried out by indigenous people. No white faces neccessary. What would be the harm in that?
I dont think many would argue against truth or reason behind the racial generalisation that Indigenous Australians dont trust white Australian.
But the important data is how many non indig australians trust indigenous australians to improve their lives, given access to a side door to offer their opinion to lawmakers.
and I think that will be around 65%
You are amplifying Abbott's rhetoric here - he says the voice is too rushed and should be scrapped.
The Formal process started 17 years ago, thats 7% of the time since european colonisation.
Maybe Tony is shooting for 7% of the time of indigenous existence, and thinks the due diligence will be completed by 6323?
Its just another disparate sound-bite designed to divide.
The opponents arguments are devoid of any coherancy or logic;
The Voice wont improve disadvantage, yet its too powerful.
Its been rushed, but we need practical change now
Black people are all hopeless pissed paedophiles, but they will bring all our democratic institutions to a grinding halt overnight
If they set up a formal debate between the leaders of No - lets say dutton, abbott, price and mundine
Verses lets say
- albonese, pearson, langton and davis,
It would be like Richmond last Sunday V Brisbane Lions September 2003.
The No campaign is a shameful, disconnected, series of illogical, idealogical, contradictory, disparately motivated, load of bullcrap.
The only narrative, is its frighteningly cynically and hatefully designed,
to divide and confuse.
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Brave of Dutton to take a back seat in the Voice debate and let Leys & Abbott take the lead. True delegation. True Leadership.
Dutton's failed trip to Alice really knocked him around. He prefers Leys being out there getting smashed in the media and now claiming the Voice will impact Parking Tickets.
Dutton's failed trip to Alice really knocked him around. He prefers Leys being out there getting smashed in the media and now claiming the Voice will impact Parking Tickets.
Any chance Morrison and Joyce can start campaigning for the No vote too?
Joyce is already touring town halls west of the divide.
Yeah Morrison would be a fantastic addition
The No campaign criticises the Voice proposal for a lack of detail, deliberately ignoring that constitutional changes don't contain detail, they know this. They know that you put the basics and no more in the constitution and leave the detail to parliament, and also that the detail should and will change over time.
Yet, they themselves talk about "practical change" and give, you guessed it, no detail.
The No campaign is flailing around for arguments but offers no way forward. If they had some sort of alternate course of action they might have some credibility, but they don't.
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Yet, they themselves talk about "practical change" and give, you guessed it, no detail.
The No campaign is flailing around for arguments but offers no way forward. If they had some sort of alternate course of action they might have some credibility, but they don't.
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There will be No Way forward for the average Indigenous Australian with a Voice in Parliament. It will be a Big Way forward for the elitist erudite Indigenous Australians who will plonk themselves down in their Government Offices.
So we know the AFL are advocating a yes vote. But could Albo’s $240m Tassie stadium handout also have a condition that the AFL are front and centre of the yes campaign? That seems to be how politics works these days. The government will want something back.
Joyce would be a vote winner out west, but many would be a lost cause anyway. We need him front and centre, nation wide.
Is George Christensen around? or is he in the Phillipines?
On a similar vein I've been thinking how great it would be if ours and Essendon's Dreamtime jumpers worked the word YES into their design.
The Coalition have been spruiking 'practical change' since 1996 when Howard got in and took an axe to the Native Title Act with his 10 point plan. What practical change did they do? What exactly is it? What effects did it have? Its code for do nothing. I'm amazed that they aren't held to account on this. We had 20 of the last 25-odd years of the Coalitions version of 'practical change' and everything went backwards. That is not up for debate. If things had improved, they'd have an argument, they went backwards, so they don't.
Asking Aboriginal people what they think before you develop and implement Aboriginal policies is as practical as you can get.
