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Indigenous Voice Yes or No?

How will you vote in referendum?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 54.0%
  • No

    Votes: 30 18.4%
  • Probably yes

    Votes: 16 9.8%
  • Probably no

    Votes: 15 9.2%
  • Dont know

    Votes: 14 8.6%

  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
Ahh, the Libs have learned from the past. "No more 3 word slogans! We're doubling down and going for 6 (with a contraction)!"
Bravo.
Dutton and co are so clearly using this referendum for political motives, this slogan just emphasises that fact- rather than trying to get their version of the facts out and let people decide, which is surely the right way to approach a referendum, they are going for the election strategy of dont worry about us, just vote against our opponents. this in addition to their strategy of somehow trying to link child abuse stats in the NT with the "voice".
at the same time Price goes down the well worn path of criticising the "elite" and "bureaucrats" ignoring her history in politics and that of her mums.
 
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Vote No if ya got any balls . Just do not go along with the suffocating bleeding hearts that flog the Yea vote. These Yea voters flogging the supposed poor life our First Nation exist in, are all well to do urban dwellers . The object of one's mind in this debate is to recognize they are First Nation descendants . For them to have a Voice to Parliament is just a load dream time which has captured the PM's attention that it is putting the Opposition Party out of Order no matter what they do .
 
Vote No if ya got any balls . Just do not go along with the suffocating bleeding hearts that flog the Yea vote. These Yea voters flogging the supposed poor life our First Nation exist in, are all well to do urban dwellers . The object of one's mind in this debate is to recognize they are First Nation descendants . For them to have a Voice to Parliament is just a load dream time which has captured the PM's attention that it is putting the Opposition Party out of Order no matter what they do .

:ROFLMAO:
 
How does that fit with the proposed regional bodies the Libs are proposing? Will Price, and all those quoted, be against those too, because they "create difference"?
You have to ask Price that ,but obviously working with Dutton,Price knows what the Libs stand for.
 
TAKEN FROM THE FAIR AUSTRALIA SITE.

The Voice is Divisive​


Not all Indigenous Australians want the Voice. Not only that, for the first time in our nation’s history, your Constitution would divide Australians by race. No other group of Australians will have a constitutionally enshrined say over parliament and government: not Australians with disabilities, single parents, senior Australians, nor anyone else.

The Voice is Dangerous​


There’s no way the Voice has been fully thought through, which is why Labor is saying the detail will come after Australians vote. The Constitution is not a toy and constitutional changes are a big deal. Rewriting it to create a new race-based body, which will exert significant political clout, risks upending our parliamentary democracy in ways we are yet to understand. The Albanese Government is clear that the Voice is just the first step. The Voice is the mechanism through which they will make more changes to how our government and democracy works, through a “treaty” and a “truth-telling” commission.


The Voice is Expensive​


Every Australian believes Indigenous communities deserve significant financial support. But currently, we spend more on direct government funding for Aboriginal Australians than we do on the NDIS, Medicare or Defence – almost $40 billion a year, or $100 million a day. And yet for decades there has been almost no discernible improvement in the lives of Indigenous Australians. If the NDIS or Medicare were delivering outcomes as bad as this for $100 million a day, there would be a Royal Commission, not a Voice to Parliament.

The Voice is Not Fair​

The activists behind the Voice have had their chance and now enough is enough. Aboriginal Australians do not need a taxpayer funded lobby group written into the heart of our Constitution. There are already too many culture warriors in this country – in the public service, in our sport, in our schools, and in our workplaces. They’ve come for Australia Day, and they’re coming for more. The Voice will mean they have the constitutional right to do so. It’s time we said, enough.
 
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This is from Advance Australia- the people behind the website you are quoting:

OUR BELIEFS

ADVANCE is your voice front and centre in the fight for mainstream Australian values:

Freedom – We believe Australia is a free country. But you wouldn’t know it from the way woke politicians and the inner city elites carry on. From attacks on Australia Day and the Anzacs by the ABC to the brutal pandemic lockdowns, ADVANCE has been fighting hard to keep their hands off your freedom to be Australian.

Security – We believe in an Australian military that has the people and the hardware to keep you safe. We believe in our men and women in uniform. While the elites forget about the threats of Islamic terrorism and the spectre of the aggressive Chinese Communist Party, ADVANCE fights for a defence force that’s fit for purpose.

Prosperity – We believe in making sure the politicians, banks and bureaucrats are on your side when you’re trying to get ahead. Mainstream Australia is under siege by stupid laws and woke ideologies like ‘net zero’ or a ‘retirement tax’, cooked up by elites that have no idea what it’s like to work for a living. ADVANCE is fighting back.


Some people may like this rubbish, but it is all evidence free cliche driven drivel.
 
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The No Campaign material sounds a lot like the anti marriage equality fear mongering
Sanctity of Marriage is under threat!
"Normal" marriage will be devalued!

Turns out nothing happened, except gay people were able to be married. No one else was affected

Also a bit like the anti climate change cavepeople re electric cars
You won't be able to drive a ute!
Your weekend is under threat!

Fear is all they have

How is giving the totally marginalized original inhabitants of our land a say at policy making that affects their lives in any way Divisive, Dangerous or FFS Unfair?
 
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Every Australian believes Indigenous communities deserve significant financial support. But currently, we spend more on direct government funding for Aboriginal Australians than we do on the NDIS, Medicare or Defence – almost $40 billion a year, or $100 million a day. And yet for decades there has been almost no discernible improvement in the lives of Indigenous Australians. If the NDIS or Medicare were delivering outcomes as bad as this for $100 million a day, there would be a Royal Commission, not a Voice to Parliament.
Is there any evidence to back up this claim? or detail as to what it actually means?

or is just a figure plucked from mid-air to cause division, the very thing this website claims to be against?

if you cant back it up, you really shouldnt be pasting it because it makes it look like you are just trying to find reasons to support your "no" vote without worrying about facts.
 
How does that fit with the proposed regional bodies the Libs are proposing? Will Price, and all those quoted, be against those too, because they "create difference"?
what is your view on the regional bodies proposed by the Libs? or the "Canberra Voice" proposed by the Libs?
 
This is from Advance Australia- the people behind the website you are quoting:

OUR BELIEFS

ADVANCE is your voice front and centre in the fight for mainstream Australian values:

Freedom – We believe Australia is a free country. But you wouldn’t know it from the way woke politicians and the inner city elites carry on. From attacks on Australia Day and the Anzacs by the ABC to the brutal pandemic lockdowns, ADVANCE has been fighting hard to keep their hands off your freedom to be Australian.

Security – We believe in an Australian military that has the people and the hardware to keep you safe. We believe in our men and women in uniform. While the elites forget about the threats of Islamic terrorism and the spectre of the aggressive Chinese Communist Party, ADVANCE fights for a defence force that’s fit for purpose.

Prosperity – We believe in making sure the politicians, banks and bureaucrats are on your side when you’re trying to get ahead. Mainstream Australia is under siege by stupid laws and woke ideologies like ‘net zero’ or a ‘retirement tax’, cooked up by elites that have no idea what it’s like to work for a living. ADVANCE is fighting back.


Some people may like this rubbish, but it is all evidence free cliche driven drivel.

So basically cookers.
 
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Not only that, for the first time in our nation’s history, your Constitution would divide Australians by race.


Yeah, that was pretty good.

One of the problems with the cookers is that they assume we can't remember beyond last week.

Unfortunately for them, many of us actually do know some history and know that the crap they peddle is based on a fantasy land version of history.

Yes, we are a relatively free country, but the citing of woke as some sort of major issue is a real red light. Politics that asks that we take into account other peoples' choices in life, such as the choice not to fit into a pre-defined gender stereotype, is really not too much to ask. If you want to see what anti-woke looks like, then look no further than Florida. Their Governor is running a prominent "anti-woke" campaign because, you know, he wants to protect freedom. What does this campaign consist of? Why, freedom promoting policies such as banning books. You think cancel culture is bad, just look at when the so-called anti-woke RWNJs actually do when they get power.

Indigenous Australians have been ignored for too long, any organisation set up to promote their interests has been abolished soon after. This is why we need it in the constitution.

What would be dangerous would be to enshrine the detail in the constitution, this is why the Voice proposal is set up to enshrine the existence of the Voice in the constitution but no more.

It is true that there is an agenda to head towards a treaty and truth telling commission if the Voice gets up. Despite the made-up crap above we don't know if the current government would support these further moves, I have my doubts. Which is a pity as we could well do with a treaty and a truth telling commission.

Let's right some of the wrongs done in the past, after all, we all benefit from Indigenous dispossession.

Let's start with the Voice.

DS
 
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Is there any evidence to back up this claim? or detail as to what it actually means?

or is just a figure plucked from mid-air to cause division, the very thing this website claims to be against?

if you cant back it up, you really shouldnt be pasting it because it makes it look like you are just trying to find reasons to support your "no" vote without worrying about facts.
Without doing much research into it,because l can't be stuffed today
Here's an article from 2 years ago,also l will add that lm guessing that all expenditure includes all from states/Territories as well.


The Cape York Institute submission said: “Given that the total spend on Indigenous affairs in Australia is nearing $35bn annually