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Hardwick

tigerdave said:
Really!!

Thanks Einstein

That’s what he said last year in the final when we lost to Collingwood.

So I’m guessing we’ll learn heaps more this time around.
 
Last 2 games Nank had gone forward and kicked goals due to having Balta take the ruck. So what does he do. Drops Balta and moves Riewoldt out of the 50 so Nank doesn’t get the 3rd defender allowing him to dominate.
 
frawleyudud said:
Last 2 games Nank had gone forward and kicked goals due to having Balta take the ruck. So what does he do. Drops Balta and moves Riewoldt out of the 50 so Nank doesn’t get the 3rd defender allowing him to dominate.

Balta isn’t the answer, he was running on the spot after half time last week. What was he like in the 2nds?
Moore, just can’t see him being any good.
Chol, I’ve got more chance getting a game (so why is he still on the list)
Soldo, I’m sorry but he isn’t the answer either.
The cardboard is bare
 
Pulled the wrong reins tonight but, as I was critical historically of the same mistakes being made again and again, you need to put bad performances in context when you've won 5 more games than any other team over the last two seasons.
 
lamb22 said:
Pulled the wrong reins tonight but, as I was critical historically of the same mistakes being made again and again, you need to put bad performances in context when you've won 5 more games than any other team over the last two seasons.

Yeah but you also need to acknowledge the way we’ve played in 2019. The first two games have been really disappointing. All of the things that made us a great side have not beyond display.

2016 Richmond so far this year.
 
Did Hardwick learn nothing from the Prelim - appears not. Does this sound familiar - thrashed in ruck & clean centre clearances; chose to play makeshift second ruck & had no option to try different option when Nankervis was being flogged by Grundy; allowed Collingwood to spread & play keepings off - at no point did we try to play one on one & force contests...To me it was Ground Hog day.

Hardwick can blame the players all he likes but the team selection & game plan plus the refusal to go 1-1 after 1/4 time when Collingwood’s plan became obvious is bewildering.

To improve we need to evolve and that includes playing two proper rucks & more midfield depth. Surely Ross & Bolton (as a midfielder) are better options than Markov & Weller.
 
Tigers2011 said:
Did Hardwick learn nothing from the Prelim - appears not. Does this sound familiar - thrashed in ruck & clean centre clearances; chose to play makeshift second ruck & had no option to try different option when Nankervis was being flogged by Grundy; allowed Collingwood to spread & play keepings off - at no point did we try to play one on one & force contests...To me it was Ground Hog day.

Hardwick can blame the players all he likes but the team selection & game plan plus the refusal to go 1-1 after 1/4 time when Collingwood’s plan became obvious is bewildering.

To improve we need to evolve and that includes playing two proper rucks & more midfield depth. Surely Ross & Bolton (as a midfielder) are better options than Markov & Weller.

Unfortunately we don’t have 2 proper rucks.
 
Ridley said:
Yeah but you also need to acknowledge the way we’ve played in 2019. The first two games have been really disappointing. All of the things that made us a great side have not beyond display.

2016 Richmond so far this year.

Not quite 2016 but we're struggling with the new rules. Having men off the back of the square slowed them down and pushed them sideways. Teams can get the ball in quicker and deeper now.

I think we need to get our two wingers to come off the bottom of the square and have two forwards run straight into the square.

Time will tell.
 
Bill James said:
Collingwood took away our foward pressure by spoiling and kicking over it.
The coaches instruction, not to bomb it in. We did.

Collingwood took away our intercepts by controlled kicking to targets inside 50.
The coaches instruction stop Cox from leading, we didn't. Add to this Martin, Lambert, Prestia having really bad games and Cotchin was average putting no pressure on Collingwood kickers.

Collingwood took away our foward handball game by placing a backstop behind the stoppages
Thats the first time that has happened, it was clever. Whenever a spare man is placed behind the ball the fowards need be moving into that space. You can't allow the opposition to have a player in front and behind you, you have to move to make sure they are both behind or in front of you.

Collingwood took advantage of Grigg in the ruck by smashing the ball foward 20m and clearing our mids
We actually responded pretty well to that by putting our mids back into that space but that only exacerbated our foward handball game which then had to go around the congestion.

Anything that the coach could fix on the night was tried or ignored. We didn't get outcoached we got outplayed.

Next year we will have to play two rucks. Grundy showed the world last night how to open up Grigg.

Not sure what the coaches instructions were tonight but Collingwood played us the same way they did in the Prelim only better. Given they were so successful making our small forwards irrelevant in the prelim, (spoil over the top of them, kick over the top of them, ruck over the top of them) I find it quite staggering that we effectively dropped Balta for Castagna. ( I assume Markov came in for Rance and Bellis for Houli). Was just fantastic watching our Coleman medallist with a dodgy wrist taking centre bounces.

Eventually the other teams will work us out like Buckley has. The era of 4 small fowards, 1 ruck and corralling opposition into kicking it to our tall backs is over. Shame, I didn't expect it but I enjoyed it.
 
lamb22 said:
Not quite 2016 but we're struggling with the new rules. Having men off the back of the square slowed them down and pushed them sideways. Teams can get the ball in quicker and deeper now.

I think we need to get our two wingers to come off the bottom of the square and have two forwards run straight into the square.

Time will tell.

Not sure if you were at the game but we are already doing that with the wingers (sometimes 1, other times 2 but at almost every centre bounce we had at least 1 of them stationed at the defensive side of the square). We also rush a player in from the top of our D50 to try and mimic the player off the back of the square.
 
Tigers2011 said:
Did Hardwick learn nothing from the Prelim - appears not. Does this sound familiar - thrashed in ruck & clean centre clearances; chose to play makeshift second ruck & had no option to try different option when Nankervis was being flogged by Grundy; allowed Collingwood to spread & play keepings off - at no point did we try to play one on one & force contests...To me it was Ground Hog day.

Hardwick can blame the players all he likes but the team selection & game plan plus the refusal to go 1-1 after 1/4 time when Collingwood’s plan became obvious is bewildering.

To improve we need to evolve and that includes playing two proper rucks & more midfield depth. Surely Ross & Bolton (as a midfielder) are better options than Markov & Weller.

Let's face it. He was totally schooled by Buckley (Longmuir?). His only strategy was to play more midgets. Too many hack players around a handful of champions, who cannot get the ball, or use it if they do. The Filth ripped us apart with their precision disposal skills. We just kept giving it back to them with hopeless kicks and handballs, e.g Ellis' short pass to Cox or all the intercepts by Moore and co.

How often does a team go at 81% disposal efficiency? What pressure game? Killed in the air, even if most of their marks were uncontested - 78/174!!! So much for beating them with the midgets, but great tactic to drop Balta. 2017 is long gone. Trouble is we lack enough players who can even get the pill, let alone do anything useful with it.

Need to look at Ross, Bolton, Garth and definitely Balta - as a mid and forward shock troop, not a lockdown defender. Garth for that.
 
Bill James said:
Not sure what the coaches instructions were tonight but Collingwood played us the same way they did in the Prelim only better. Given they were so successful making our small forwards irrelevant in the prelim, (spoil over the top of them, kick over the top of them, ruck over the top of them) I find it quite staggering that we effectively dropped Balta for Castagna. ( I assume Markov came in for Rance and Bellis for Houli). Was just fantastic watching our Coleman medallist with a dodgy wrist taking centre bounces.

Eventually the other teams will work us out like Buckley has. The era of 4 small fowards, 1 ruck and corralling opposition into kicking it to our tall backs is over. Shame, I didn't expect it but I enjoyed it.

Good work Billy
 
Made a good move in the last Q last week when Jack Graham went into defence after Rance went down. Turned the game.

No coach can work miracles when their players aren't doing the work though.
This group needs a bit of a rocket at the selection table. 2017 is old news.
 
Nothing surprising in tonight's result. Just proved that the changes were bizarre and not based on any analysis of the opposition.
 
Im not sure why we continue to bomb to contests, time after time it just shows no care with the ball by doing this. The pies were eating us up every time we did it. Bucks must of been thinking all his birthdays had come at once as Richmond kept putting it down their throats the whole game. Bucks outsmarted dimma, came in with the keeping's off game plan, plus utilized their skills to the maximum.. They literally toyed with us.
 
AstuteTiger said:
Im not sure why we continue to bomb to contests, time after time it just shows no care with the ball by doing this. The pies were eating us up every time we did it. Bucks must of been thinking all his birthdays had come at once as Richmond kept putting it down their throats the whole game. Bucks outsmarted dimma, came in with the keeping's off game plan, plus utilized their skills to the maximum.. They literally toyed with us.

Not necessarily, bucks once again has copied another coach. Last game last year against the doggies they played a very similar style.
And it almost payed off