Figgy's not actually smart enough to pull anything apart. All he did was copy Chuckles game plane from the week before against us, n get his team to switch n play keeping off. Figgy's simply got a better list than Chuckles.Dev Tiger said:
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kiwitiger said:
Tend to agree with your post, Kiwi.
The proof will be in the pudding I guess.
Might Hardwick's opportunity to see how he can motivate this team to aspire to great heights and how innovative he might be as a coach.
Yep. That's what makes me laugh on how quickly he publicly transformed into a messiah (with no flag!!). All smoke and mirrors stuff.BrisTiger24 said:
Did he think he could go into 3 seasons with the same game plan and virtually the same midfield/defence? Virtually there same 22.
His press conference was Hardwick of 2016. One excuse after another.
Wheres the Talls? Wheres the 2nd ruck option? Wheres a marking defender? Wheres the next A grade midfielder?
How we won a flag under this bloke has me fked
His press conference was Hardwick of 2016. One excuse after another.
Wheres the Talls? Wheres the 2nd ruck option? Wheres a marking defender? Wheres the next A grade midfielder?
How we won a flag under this bloke has me fked
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Bill James
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Pretty obvious how Collingwood progressively took our system apart in the three games we played them last year. Collingwood have worked out that pressure players lose importance if you can clear the ball from congestion (marking contests and ruck contests) as quickly as possible preferably to a mark. Its hard to apply pressure at the fall of the ball if the ball is falling 10-20m away or a player has marked it.
Hardwick is a stubborn prick, so instead of looking at the system over the summer he doubles down on it. Playing 1 ruck and 5 small pressure forwards just plays into Collingwoods hands to exploit us. He needs to remember he won his premiership by taking a long hard look at himself and making changes.
Hardwick is a stubborn prick, so instead of looking at the system over the summer he doubles down on it. Playing 1 ruck and 5 small pressure forwards just plays into Collingwoods hands to exploit us. He needs to remember he won his premiership by taking a long hard look at himself and making changes.
Bill James said:
the 2 big forwards puts a bit of a hole in that analysis Bill. But putting that aside, even if he did double down, (which is highly debateable), it was a fair play. Maybe not in hindsight, but going in, fine.
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Regardless of game plan, there's not much a coach can do if half his players can't be arsed doing their jobs properly.
In recent years, the best coach at reinventing his team and starting again is Alistair Clarkson. He had his team up for a flag in 2008, which they probably pinched, then again in 2012-2015, four GFs and three flags and it looks like he is building again. How has he done it?
An obvious answer is that he has systematically built through the draft, except that he hasn’t really. How many early draft picks have they’d traded out? Another obvious answer is that he has used free agency, except he hasn’t really, losing as much as he has gained-Franklin and Suckling come to mind. He has been a serial trader too. There has to be more to it than recruiting.
He has also lost quite a number of assistant coaches who have become senior coaches at other clubs. So far, Beveridge, Hardwick and Simpson have all won flags too. So is it that he surrounds himself with the best assistants that he can find?
So he finds the best assistants. It is a good theory. But they keep leaving. So what is going on?
Here’s what I think. The 2008 flag was actually masterminded by his assistants, primarily Hardwick and Ross Smith. The next period was masterminded by the likes of Simpson, Leon Cameron and possibly Beveridge. Brett Ratten has had a huge influence over the current group.
Clarkson reinvents himself by finding good assistants who have strong ideas and he allows them to implement these ideas through the game plan. Every time it helps him win a flag, two things happen. The assistants get poached and the game plan gets broken down and copied by other clubs. He starts again with new assistants, new ideas and a new game plan. It’s a process that can be repeated over and over, find a guy with innovative new ideas, give him his opportunity and stay one step ahead.
Hardwick came to Richmond and brought Clarkson’s gameplan with him. A year later, Ross Smith followed. He had mixed results. More wins, finals appearances but no flag. During the period that he was implementing the Hawthorn gameplan, they were moving on with Simpson and Cameron’s ideas. It wasn’t until Hardwick hired Caracella, an astute thinker with strong ideas that it all came together.
Here is my theory. The senior coach establishes the relationship with the players and the assistants are actually the innovators who refine the way the team plays. Has Buckley been responsible for Collingwood’s rise or has it been the work of his relatively new assistants, maybe Longmuir or Buddha Hocking? It’s a valid question.
Maybe, these assistants only have one or two good ideas and then burn out. Ross Smith, most likely the architect of the cluster, is gone from the AFL system, so is the previously highly-rated Brett Montgomery for example. Malthouse rated Mark Neeld very highly in his Premiership year. Brenton Sanderson was a huge part of Geelong’s success but he too failed afterwards.
Maybe these guys had their one great idea, it won Premierships, was figured out and they lacked the people and management skills to recognise that what they were doing had had its day. Clarkson, the great survivor, moves on to new strategies quickly.
It is time to give up on Caracella’s pressure game and find the next wave, the next bright assistant with the innovative ideas? Just like Caracella’s ideas were falling on deaf ears at Geelong, is there an assistant at West Coast or even at Richmond or somewhere else, Freo, maybe Adelaide, who is looking for his opportunity?
Just a theory from a nuffy.
An obvious answer is that he has systematically built through the draft, except that he hasn’t really. How many early draft picks have they’d traded out? Another obvious answer is that he has used free agency, except he hasn’t really, losing as much as he has gained-Franklin and Suckling come to mind. He has been a serial trader too. There has to be more to it than recruiting.
He has also lost quite a number of assistant coaches who have become senior coaches at other clubs. So far, Beveridge, Hardwick and Simpson have all won flags too. So is it that he surrounds himself with the best assistants that he can find?
So he finds the best assistants. It is a good theory. But they keep leaving. So what is going on?
Here’s what I think. The 2008 flag was actually masterminded by his assistants, primarily Hardwick and Ross Smith. The next period was masterminded by the likes of Simpson, Leon Cameron and possibly Beveridge. Brett Ratten has had a huge influence over the current group.
Clarkson reinvents himself by finding good assistants who have strong ideas and he allows them to implement these ideas through the game plan. Every time it helps him win a flag, two things happen. The assistants get poached and the game plan gets broken down and copied by other clubs. He starts again with new assistants, new ideas and a new game plan. It’s a process that can be repeated over and over, find a guy with innovative new ideas, give him his opportunity and stay one step ahead.
Hardwick came to Richmond and brought Clarkson’s gameplan with him. A year later, Ross Smith followed. He had mixed results. More wins, finals appearances but no flag. During the period that he was implementing the Hawthorn gameplan, they were moving on with Simpson and Cameron’s ideas. It wasn’t until Hardwick hired Caracella, an astute thinker with strong ideas that it all came together.
Here is my theory. The senior coach establishes the relationship with the players and the assistants are actually the innovators who refine the way the team plays. Has Buckley been responsible for Collingwood’s rise or has it been the work of his relatively new assistants, maybe Longmuir or Buddha Hocking? It’s a valid question.
Maybe, these assistants only have one or two good ideas and then burn out. Ross Smith, most likely the architect of the cluster, is gone from the AFL system, so is the previously highly-rated Brett Montgomery for example. Malthouse rated Mark Neeld very highly in his Premiership year. Brenton Sanderson was a huge part of Geelong’s success but he too failed afterwards.
Maybe these guys had their one great idea, it won Premierships, was figured out and they lacked the people and management skills to recognise that what they were doing had had its day. Clarkson, the great survivor, moves on to new strategies quickly.
It is time to give up on Caracella’s pressure game and find the next wave, the next bright assistant with the innovative ideas? Just like Caracella’s ideas were falling on deaf ears at Geelong, is there an assistant at West Coast or even at Richmond or somewhere else, Freo, maybe Adelaide, who is looking for his opportunity?
Just a theory from a nuffy.
Just on Caracellas pressure game TOT , I think it’s getting the right mix with it, of course you can never have to much pressure put on the opposition, however it’s a very taxing style for your forwards, imho I’d rather a genuine silky class finisher in the Betts mould then a couple of high pressure types
Mr Brightside said:
Agree. Essendon are trying to implement it with soft, lazy players like Stringer, Tipungwuti, Fantasia and McKernan. Good luck with that one. I can’t see any of those players running 7 km in a half for a handful of possessions like Lambert does each week.
All good systems eventually get worked out and Collingwood have worked out ours. The switch maintain possession style has counteracted ours. The whole AFL would now understand the way to dismantle us. Dimma needs to adapt quickly. Without Rance and Jack it will be tougher. I think the Clarko' s ability to accept change is the benchmark for Dimma.
I hear what your saying there Dev, however the fact is we have only been beaten by 2 sides in our last 15 games I think it is, obviously we are much better team then most of them and I’m sure will do some tweaking, and even though I think losing Rance is massive and a coaches nightmare, I don’t think all is as bad as some are making out.Dev Tiger said:
I hope your right and you probably are Mr Brightside. It was just frustrating watching Collingwood rack up what felt like a world record number of uncontested marks. I think it was the great Leigh Matthews who said things are never as good or as bad as they seem.
TheCan said:
Because he thinks things will always turn around like in the Carlton final, like the north final and even in last years preliminary final.
He doesn’t react, the only change after being slapped by Collingwood did he do? He moved killer Markov foward and Weller back.
