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Hardwick as Senior Coach - Your thoughts.

How do you feel about Hardwick as our Senior Coach

  • Positive

    Votes: 162 81.4%

  • Negative

    Votes: 9 4.5%

  • Ambivalent

    Votes: 17 8.5%

  • Cheese Sandwich

    Votes: 11 5.5%
  • Total voters
    199
I can feel the Micky Malthouse tone in his voice with the journos. ;D

"If players aren't competitive, they'll find themselves very quickly out the door"

RUTHLESS.
 
Interviewing well, but Im happy to wait until the end of pre season. Bigger, stronger fitter bodies and some mental toughness is all i want to see. The rest will follow in time.
 
Yep speaking pretty well without being overly positive or negative. He's projecting a positive air without seeming unreasonably so. Very much a straight shooter from the sound of it without any spin.
 
lamb22 said:
One thing I always look for is future tends and my concerns are that the IP that Damian brings is dated (ie , the sheedy stuff is old school, the Port way is now outdated and now that the rest have sussed out the rolling zone the Hawks IP is ho hum) I would be looking at Swans. St kilda, Geelong and even Crows as the templates for going forward. Is Damian a strategic thinker - will he cope as the game changes?
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Not a concern I have for Hardwick. I don't like this philosophy of following trends in games, I prefer to go out and devise the next one. Let other's follow us.

If others shared your concerns in the past Thomson and Clarkson would not have been appointed. Thomson was tweaking Sheedy's game plan and trying experimental stuff when he was a Assistant at Essendon. The good future coaches don't just mimic their mentor's game plans, they tweak, change and/or evolve them at the very least.
 
Mr Magic said:
Hardwick hasn't just learnt from Sheedy, Williams and Clarkson, he has learnt from Pelchen about how to rebuild a broken list. That is the type of experience we need the most.
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Indeed. ;D
 
TigerForce said:
I can feel the Micky Malthouse tone in his voice with the journos. ;D

"If players aren't competitive, they'll find themselves very quickly out the door"

RUTHLESS.
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Heh heh, that was the highlight for me too.
 
I voted Negative, but after finally getting a look at Hardwick (today was the first time ever) I'd like to change my vote to Positive. :)

I consider myself a pretty good judge of character and I rarely need more than watching a person for a few minutes to speak to nail them as a person .. welcome to the club Damien :clap , would love to have a :beer with you some day. Please forgive me for a few minutes of negativity.

(and for the record, I never once liked the cut of Wallace and said so many times).
 
Dyer Disciple said:
Not a concern I have for Hardwick. I don't like this philosophy of following trends in games, I prefer to go out and devise the next one. Let other's follow us.
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That's the point I was making. Can the coach/football department see what is coming and get ahead of the curve.
Roos saw effective kicking as a determinant of games won/lost and maximised the Swans possession and kicking game built around strong stoppage/clearance work.

I thought Terry was ahead of the curve in the 90's with his zoning/flooding but that was based on his basketball background where you play deep and wait for the other side to turnover and you attack from deep. Hence his so called quick and skilled transition players to run, carry and move the ball form half back to the forward line. As sides got more skilful a 'passive' zone became exposed. Clarkson took a soccer technique in to AFL with the rolling zones. What Terry never seemed to understand was that a rolling zone was an aggressive strategy in that you occupied space but your forwards/mids need to apply maximum pressure so that the turnovers happen in your attacking area. Frontal pressure became de rigour although a standard in soccer for decades. Tiges however still just half heartedly corraled and occupied space as Terry was a victim to his old IP and mindset even though by nature an innovator. So my point is succesful IP is fine but you need to get ahead of the curve. Roos, Malthouse and in the old days Sheedy showed that they could do that. Time will tell if hardwick and his football team can do that too. At this stage however we just need to pedal like hell to catch up to the tail of the field!!
 
lamb22 said:
At this stage however we just need to pedal like hell to catch up to the tail of the field!!
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Agree, I was just referring to your reference of concern on Hardwick based on where he came from and your preference for someone from a more recent or current/future trend. Just don't agree you can easily judge someone's potential like that.

Hawthorn have proven you can turn things around quickly with the right leadership, the circumstances will be different for us and I don't think we will be able to turn around as quickly as them but I do think we are not far from the light at the end of the tunnel.

Personally, I think this has been our darkest year in some ways but in the things that count, I think this year has been a neccesary pain and given us glimpses of a rock solid foundation being developed of which Hardwick is now the final co-architect slotted into place along with the Board, Gale and CC.

I'd just like to thank the Board and Steven Wright for putting as in a promising position for the future.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Wonder if he'd consider trading him? That'd put the cat among the pigeons.
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Trade Richo?
Well if that ever happens ;)


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lamb22 said:
That's the point I was making. Can the coach/football department see what is coming and get ahead of the curve.
Roos saw effective kicking as a determinant of games won/lost and maximised the Swans possession and kicking game built around strong stoppage/clearance work.

I thought Terry was ahead of the curve in the 90's with his zoning/flooding but that was based on his basketball background where you play deep and wait for the other side to turnover and you attack from deep. Hence his so called quick and skilled transition players to run, carry and move the ball form half back to the forward line. As sides got more skilful a 'passive' zone became exposed. Clarkson took a soccer technique in to AFL with the rolling zones. What Terry never seemed to understand was that a rolling zone was an aggressive strategy in that you occupied space but your forwards/mids need to apply maximum pressure so that the turnovers happen in your attacking area. Frontal pressure became de rigour although a standard in soccer for decades. Tiges however still just half heartedly corraled and occupied space as Terry was a victim to his old IP and mindset even though by nature an innovator. So my point is succesful IP is fine but you need to get ahead of the curve. Roos, Malthouse and in the old days Sheedy showed that they could do that. Time will tell if hardwick and his football team can do that too. At this stage however we just need to pedal like hell to catch up to the tail of the field!!
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I'm not so concerned about this. March on the radio w/e before last said one of the key things they wanted in a coach was a game plan the kids could understand and execute now and build on in the future. I think we can take from this that Damien has a clear plan. Innovation will come from the strengths our list shows as it develops over time.
 
Congratulations to Hardwick.

I'm pretty excited about the whole thing at the moment.

One of my reservations about Hardwick was that he was perhaps a little too rigid and inflexible in his ways. Today's press conference went a long way to alleviate those fears. His comments that "the day you stop learning you stop coaching", and that he is at his worse as a senior coach today, as he will only get better as each day passes indicate a man ready and willing to accept change.

Also very interested to see what will happen to the list. A fresh set of eyes to see players in a new light will be interesting. In which players does he see potential, who have otherwise been put in 'dead wood' basket? Who have been rated perhaps higher than he does?

Interesting and exciting times ahead!!
 
Yeah congrats Damien. Now the back slapping is over, it's on with the job.

I think there could well be some surprises from some of those on our list who may actually become good footballers under a new coach and his football department. New assistants, and I get the feeling new conditioning people, phsycs etc can only help. He will still need to cut deep, that there is no question, but I don't think the majority of the players recruited over the last few years just turn into, what some term duds, naturally.

To get an AFL gig at all means there is, was, should be, something that tweaked the recruiter's eye and under Wallets tenure, none of "kids" have ever been developed properly.

Without getting too carried away yet, this is by far the brightest day this season for mine.
 
Tigerhart04 said:
To get an AFL gig at all means there is, was, should be, something that tweaked the recruiter's eye and under Wallets tenure, none of "kids" have ever been developed properly.
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Agree totally. We haven't developed these kids. There must be something there to work with that a good team of coaches can bring out.

Well, except for JON of course.
 
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