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Greyhound threads [Merged]
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It's a matter of human decency.
The want of people to do these acts shows a distinct sign of psychological issues. No sane, compassionate human thinks this is acceptable.
The footage and reports are sickening and people take the line that "everyone does it" as if it's some sort of reasoning. The amount of comment in the media about people knowing this was going on just makes it worse. Why hasn't it been reported earlier?
If I'm labeled as soft or politically correct, I'll cop that every day of the week. I'll also sleep at night knowing I'm a decent human.
The want of people to do these acts shows a distinct sign of psychological issues. No sane, compassionate human thinks this is acceptable.
The footage and reports are sickening and people take the line that "everyone does it" as if it's some sort of reasoning. The amount of comment in the media about people knowing this was going on just makes it worse. Why hasn't it been reported earlier?
If I'm labeled as soft or politically correct, I'll cop that every day of the week. I'll also sleep at night knowing I'm a decent human.
Bunnerz said:
There is a difference between shooting an animal like a rabbit or foxes (pests) or kangaroos (food) than killing animals so people can win money. I've got no problem with professionals or farmers who do this. Anyone who does it for fun can GGF in my opinion. And killing an animal - even like a rabbit - cruelly because you believe it makes a greyhound run faster in an entertainment/betting event... that's way different to shooting or killing an animal humanely.
Anyway - your standpoint is clear. You've got no problem with animals being killed cruelly to "blood" greyhounds - it's only if they are tied to lures, take 40 minutes to die and are and filmed by Four Corners that you have a problem with it.
Disco said:
My dad trained dogs when the sport was at a peak of popularity in the 70's. Despite attending racetracks, trial tracks, dog baths and various kennels regularly, never once in that time did I see or hear anything remotely connected to live baiting; however when Mike Willesee's current affairs program poured scorn on the industry, the old man (who was a big Willesee fan) just snorted and said "C'mon Mike, don't pretend you don't know how the game works". Even if not in direct contact with it, those in the industry know it goes on and are presumably content to look the other way.
NB The number of racehorses killed in jumps racing pales in comparison with the number of greyhounds killed each year for being too slow (~3000 per year in NSW alone, according to the state's greyhound racing CEO). Where are the protesters who kicked up such a stink about the handful of thoroughbred fatalities on the eve of the spring carnival?
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
they are busy doing something about it:
http://greyhoundrescue.com.au/
http://gap.grv.org.au/
http://www.friendsofthehound.org.au/
out of interest do you know any figures for how many horses get shot for being too slow?
Brodders17 said:
No.
Horses = gentle & lovable, greyhounds = vicious and therefore not a "fuzzy" cause. Many people hold this perception, citing the sharp teeth, muzzles worn in races and the propensity for dogs on a lead to go berserk when they spy a cat or other small animal. But of course the reality is they're very docile as a rule and like their sleep.
There is always some hypocrisy around what causes are "chosen" and what are popular. But to argue that protestors are somehow letting the side down by protesting one thing and not another is simply an excuse to do nothing about anything.
Why not have a crack at those who do the killing, not those who merely fail to protest to killing. The killers are the root cause, not the protestors.
Why not have a crack at those who do the killing, not those who merely fail to protest to killing. The killers are the root cause, not the protestors.
antman said:
I'm not defending it. I've seen it practised and it made me uncomfortable enough to go for a walk while the dogs were being "given a bite". To the others present though, there was nothing the least bit illegitimate about it. A bit like the two Australians facing the death penalty in Indonesia - I hope they're spared, but I don't feel strongly enough to protest and try to tell someone else (Indon gvmt) their business.
a lot get put down rosy (mostly by the big full time trainers).
I can speak for myself and say out of the approximately the 130 i trained over the 10 years, only 3 got put down.(2 due to injury).
3/130 aint bad, and all the rest found homes.
I believe the racehorse stats are greater than the greyhounds.
I can speak for myself and say out of the approximately the 130 i trained over the 10 years, only 3 got put down.(2 due to injury).
3/130 aint bad, and all the rest found homes.
I believe the racehorse stats are greater than the greyhounds.
a good summation of the torture and slaughter of animals by greyhound trainers:
Greyhound Industry Moves To End Horrific Acts Of Noticing Animal Cruelty.
By The Backburner
19 FEB 2015 - 10:26 AM UPDATED 19 FEB 2015 - 10:27 AM
The fallout from revelations of live-baiting in greyhound racing have continued today with the greyhound industry moving quickly to ensure such unforgivable acts will never be noticed again.
Supporters of greyhound racing have been quick to condemn the so-called ‘blooding’ of dogs through the use of live bait as “entirely and unequivocally something we would rather you not see.”
“Of course the safety of our dogs comes first,” said a spokesperson for Greyhound Racing Australia. “The last thing we want is for any of these absolutely abhorrent, disgusting acts to ever be seen or worse, talked about.”
The spokesperson also took a swipe at the guerrilla tactics of activists that exposed these acts of animal cruelty.
“Put it this way, you wouldn’t like it if someone was wandering around your backyard filming stuff without your permission, would you? Now, imagine you were torturing someone back there. You really wouldn’t want anyone to see that. That’s the situation we find ourselves in.”
“If you want to uncover animal cruelty you should wait until we do it out in the open. That’s just polite.”
Greyhound Racing Australia denied these acts would be allowed to continue behind closed doors without such intervention.
“Who could say it would still happen,” asked the spokesperson. “This is quantum physics, right here. If you can’t see a cat being tortured is it being tortured? It is, but if you don’t see it then you won’t have to worry about it.”
“Anyway, the important thing is that we end this controversy around animal exploitation and go back to breeding and training animals specifically to perform physically exerting acts constantly at peak condition for our own entertainment.”
http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/02/19/greyhound-industry-moves-end-horrific-acts-noticing-animal-cruelty
Greyhound Industry Moves To End Horrific Acts Of Noticing Animal Cruelty.
By The Backburner
19 FEB 2015 - 10:26 AM UPDATED 19 FEB 2015 - 10:27 AM
The fallout from revelations of live-baiting in greyhound racing have continued today with the greyhound industry moving quickly to ensure such unforgivable acts will never be noticed again.
Supporters of greyhound racing have been quick to condemn the so-called ‘blooding’ of dogs through the use of live bait as “entirely and unequivocally something we would rather you not see.”
“Of course the safety of our dogs comes first,” said a spokesperson for Greyhound Racing Australia. “The last thing we want is for any of these absolutely abhorrent, disgusting acts to ever be seen or worse, talked about.”
The spokesperson also took a swipe at the guerrilla tactics of activists that exposed these acts of animal cruelty.
“Put it this way, you wouldn’t like it if someone was wandering around your backyard filming stuff without your permission, would you? Now, imagine you were torturing someone back there. You really wouldn’t want anyone to see that. That’s the situation we find ourselves in.”
“If you want to uncover animal cruelty you should wait until we do it out in the open. That’s just polite.”
Greyhound Racing Australia denied these acts would be allowed to continue behind closed doors without such intervention.
“Who could say it would still happen,” asked the spokesperson. “This is quantum physics, right here. If you can’t see a cat being tortured is it being tortured? It is, but if you don’t see it then you won’t have to worry about it.”
“Anyway, the important thing is that we end this controversy around animal exploitation and go back to breeding and training animals specifically to perform physically exerting acts constantly at peak condition for our own entertainment.”
http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/02/19/greyhound-industry-moves-end-horrific-acts-noticing-animal-cruelty
Not defending live baiting by any stretch but you really reckon that is a good example Brodders.
Even by today's journalistic standards that qualifies nada.
Not one name to be found or quoted through the entire article. ??? Not even the writers lol.
Even by today's journalistic standards that qualifies nada.
Not one name to be found or quoted through the entire article. ??? Not even the writers lol.
Offsiders were good on this topic Sunday - pointed out that although the NSW GR Board has been kicked out, all race events occurred and all dogs raced. The take was about the same. Apparently trainers just had to sign a waiver that "to their knowledge" their dogs had not been live baited. Also murmurings that people in the industry are saying that the videos are "inadmissable" as evidence as they were taken illegally. Do they think that's the point? Really?
antman said:
It wasn't a waiver, i think it was a stat dec; and it had to be from the Owner.
The following is a good independent review of the legal argument. And she specifically references the Offsiders.
http://sociallitigator.com/2015/02/22/it-is-a-question-of-proof-greyhound-racing-victoria-lift-on-suspensions-explained/
Unfortunately when the dust settles most resort to their legal position.
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