Greyhound threads [Merged]

[Mr Brightside]

Grew up with Greyhounds an the ol man had a couple of Champs, for as long as I could remember you would always get a tip because the Dog had ' had a kill' or 'had a possum' , it wasn't even attempted to be hidden , don't agree with it one bit , it's just a fact the ol dishlickers has always had a dodgy side as well as a good honest hard working side. Years ago I had to look after the Ol mans dogs while he was away, so I'd feed an walk Em every morning, problem was the owner of one of the dogs was feeding them as well, so when we rocked up to the track on the Thursday night our dog was well over his normal racing weight, anyway the steward just "adjusted" the weight an let our dog run, when he should have been scratched...funny thing is he still won

 

[Tigers of Old]

Safe to say I was shocked to an inch of the core at this 19th century cruelty.
Far be it bans or suspensions. Should be locked up for a while.

 

[Leysy Days]

Leysy's pretty open minded to farm life & dogs etc, but that was horrible viewing last night. Disgraceful acts.

Reading between the lines reckon it is a pretty common occurrence across the country as well.

 

[Tommy H]

Recorded the show (always record 4 corners then watch it some time later) but this is one episode I won't watch. I just can not watch such cruelty to animals.

 

[Rfc4Ever]

Spoke to someone today who has been into greyhound racing all his life and is annoyed that there hasn't been any coverage of a well-known trainer here in Victoria whose greyhounds have apparently tested positive to methyl-amphetamine. Next story perhaps?

 

[AngryAnt]

Spoke to someone today who has been into greyhound racing all his life and is annoyed that there hasn't been any coverage of a well-known trainer here in Victoria whose greyhounds have apparently tested positive to methyl-amphetamine. Next story perhaps?

For me personally punting is a mugs game. If people want to cheat to get an advantage that's one thing, and you could argue there is some minor cruelty in doping greyhounds. If you want to bet on greyhounds (or whatever), don't be surprised if unscrupulous people are gaining an advantage by cheating.

To me though, putting defenceless animals through incredible suffering before an horrific death makes cheating by doping pale into insignificance. These bastards should be locked up.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

One of the trainers implicated is Darren McDonald, who was Tony Lockett's trainer in the 90's. Had a role in the Black Pirate substitution scam which led to Plugger taking refuge from the police in a wardrobe, emerging after discovery with "I thought you guys were the media".

 

[Bunnerz]

was horrible viewing....

10 years ago when i started out, it was basically accepted or tolerated by the public (giving a dog a rabbit or possum in a paddock) and i reckon 1 in every 5 trainers were giving live kills (not like what i saw on TV though).

These days, i reckon only 1/20 would give a kill (a rabbit or possum which are basically nuisances), but we are a must more emotional, touchy, soft society, politically correct society these days and its not tolerated.

I have never witnessed what i saw on Monday night....nothing close, an this would be 1/1000 trainers.(and they should be punished)

If we are going to be serious about animal cruelty then as i said, BAN........fox hunting, deer huntin, kangaroo culling, fishing, duck shooting, shooting rabbits, killing horses for dog dood etc.

 

[Tigers of Old]

If we are going to be serious about animal cruelty then as i said, BAN........fox hunting, deer huntin, kangaroo culling, fishing, duck shooting, shooting rabbits, killing horses for dog dood etc.

I don't really buy that argument. Greyhound racing is basically just entertainment.
Using animals for food or culling vermin off farmland is quite a different scenario.

 

[Rosy]

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These days, i reckon only 1/20 would give a kill (a rabbit or possum which are basically nuisances), but we are a must more emotional, touchy, soft society, politically correct society these days and its not tolerated.

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If that's the definition of someone who abhors cruelty and torture of animals I'm happy to wear the hat.

 

[Rosy]

.........
These days, i reckon only 1/20 would give a kill (a rabbit or possum which are basically nuisances), but we are a must more emotional, touchy, soft society, politically correct society these days and its not tolerated.

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Just for your info in regards to possums Bunnerz. Considering possums nuisances is no excuse to torture and kill them.

From the DEPI website

Possums and the law

Like all other native animals, possums are protected under the Wildlife Act 1975. They must not be harmed in any way or kept without an authority from DEPI.

It is illegal to handle or interfere with possums except when they are in your roof, or other buildings.

In such cases, possums can only be trapped in appropriate traps by the householder or a licensed wildlife controller

Trapped possums must be released the same day on the same property, in their own territory, within 50 metres of the capture site.

If this is not practical, the possum can be taken to a registered veterinarian to be killed humanely, at your expense.

Breaching any of these regulations carries a penalty of up to $5,000.

There is no other legal avenue to deal with possums. Relocating possums is both illegal and inhumane.

If you witness or suspect a case of wildlife mistreatment or cruelty, please contact the RSCPA on (03) 9224 2222 or contact the DEPI Customer Service Centre on 136 186 to be put in contact with your local Wildlife Officer.

 

[Bunnerz]

rosy-snakes arent allowed to be killed but they are and accepted by society.
what im saying is, whats the difference in all those other activities in killing animals like deer shooting, duck shooting, kangaroo shooting, fox shooting etc.
than
a greyhound chasing a rabbit in the paddock and killing it.....

what i saw on four corners was terrible and i have never seen that before in 10 years.....(pigs tied to lure) and would be the EXTREME minority.

maybe we should worry about banning those breeds that actually KILL kids like bull terriers etc.

 

[Rosy]

Breeds don't kill kids. Any individual dog, regardless of breed, is capable of killing a kid. It's more about training and owner responsibility. Even considering that, the things you are coming up with are worthy of discussion but they are red herrings in the context of this particular greyhound training discussion. A few wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Azza]

maybe we should worry about banning those breeds that actually KILL kids like bull terriers etc.

The trouble bunnerz is that there's no sure way of legally identifying a pit bull terrier. DNA doesn't work. The current laws try to get around that by defining a pit bull by what it looks like. This is easily challenged in court, and councils end up spending a mint of rate-payers money defending a decision declaring a dog to be a pit bull, often losing the case and paying costs. Meanwhile the dog spends years locked-up in a pound waiting for the legal decision. There's a group of lawyers called the Barristers Animal Welfare Panel who challenge council decisions for free, while councils who are trying to get dangerous animals put down have use ratepayer money to hire lawyers. Councils often just give up because it's all to expensive.

 

[Brodders17]

rosy-snakes arent allowed to be killed but they are and accepted by society.
what im saying is, whats the difference in all those other activities in killing animals like deer shooting, duck shooting, kangaroo shooting, fox shooting etc.
than
a greyhound chasing a rabbit in the paddock and killing it.....

what i saw on four corners was terrible and i have never seen that before in 10 years.....(pigs tied to lure) and would be the EXTREME minority.

maybe we should worry about banning those breeds that actually KILL kids like bull terriers etc.

i dont get your point. perhaps because all you are doing is deflecting.

as far as i can see, noone on here is suggesting greyhound racing should be banned. that is a different debate.

all anyone is saying is that the people involved in the disgusting torture of animals should be punished. do you disagree with that?

 

[AngryAnt]

These days, i reckon only 1/20 would give a kill (a rabbit or possum which are basically nuisances), but we are a must more emotional, touchy, soft society, politically correct society these days and its not tolerated.

BS bunnerz. I've got no problem with anyone shooting a rabbit humanely. Tieing any animal to a lure and dragging it around for 40 minutes is not a good way to die for any creature.

 

[Leysy Days]

all anyone is saying is that the people involved in the disgusting torture of animals should be punished. do you disagree with that?

Tieing any animal to a lure and dragging it around for 40 minutes is not a good way to die for any creature.

To be fair Bunnerz has already said/agreed with this.

 

[Brodders17]

To be fair Bunnerz has already said/agreed with this.

i thought he had, but it got buried in a whole lot of deflection and obfuscation.

 

[AngryAnt]

As Brodders says, it's a bit hard to tell from bunnerz post. He rejects the type of torture shown on 4corners, but he states it's only our "touchy feely society" that condemns the occasional "kill" in the paddock. So it seems for bunnerz it's a question of degree. The animal still dies horribly, but at least it didn't die in agony for 40 minutes.

Both options seem pretty shitty to me Leysey.

 

[Bunnerz]

close antman.....the torture of the animals in 4corners is not on and terrible and all involved and punished (ive never seen or heard of possums/pigs toed to lure).

what im saying is, an occasional kill in the paddock where a hound chases a rabbit and kills it to me is no different to people who shoot ducks, cockatoos, kangaroos, foxes, deer and um yes rabbits.....which happens everyhwere......