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Was reading a couple of interesting articles in US Golf World magazine last night. One was about this journo’s relationship with Tiger Woods…what sort of bloke Woods was behind the scenes etc. etc. The other was about the lost art of shot making and reference within to Woods and Geoff Ogilvy.

The latter article referred to how modern equipment and course design and set up has made shot making dormant and that for all intents and purposes a player nowadays just simply has to aim straight at a target and swing and doesn’t have to alter their ball flight much anymore like they used to back in the early 90’s and earlier e.g. move the ball in the air left to right or vice-versa …hit high and low etc.

But the article was saying that when the majors come around the course set up is usually a lot different to a regular event and the players are forced back into shot making mode. The fairways and greens are harder and faster, the course is longer and narrower so position comes into play, and pins are tucked away much more. However, most of them bar Woods are incapable of making the change back because they’ve lost the art through improvement to equipment – especially the low spin balls – and have become lazy.

Apparently, according to Ogilvy, leading up to majors, Tiger Woods changes his ball to one with the highest spin rate possible and spends hours on the range practicing all manner of weird and high bending shots and stingers and stuff. He then actually employs these shots in events leading up to the majors so that he’s absolutely tuned in to be able to move the ball around in the air any way that he wants to.

This often leads to a completely different strategy as to how he may attack a hole in a major (or the whole course for that matter) compared to his competitors. Apparently his competitors and his competitors caddies often get bewildered by what he’s doing. He’ll hit shorter or longer clubs than is necessary…hit to spots on fairways that nobody else is aiming for then radically shape the next one from there to get as close to the pin as possible. All sorts of stuff. Ogilvy reckons it is amazing to watch.
 
Woods has killed the game as a spectacle. No serious competition. Handicap him one stroke per round and see if that creates more interest........ at least in betting markets.
 
Woods IS the game as a spectacle. That's quite evident if you read Redford's recounting of the GW article. Record numbers of people aren't turning up to these big tournament to catch a glimpse of Craig Parry.
 
Played St Andrews beach yesterday,very good track similar to Moonah links,ocean an Moonah courses at the National.

When we finished the round we were informed that the owners has gone into recievership but the course was the last thing that would have to go so hopefully they can save it
 
Redford said:
Was reading a couple of interesting articles in US Golf World magazine last night. One was about this journo’s relationship with Tiger Woods…what sort of bloke Woods was behind the scenes etc. etc. The other was about the lost art of shot making and reference within to Woods and Geoff Ogilvy.

The latter article referred to how modern equipment and course design and set up has made shot making dormant and that for all intents and purposes a player nowadays just simply has to aim straight at a target and swing and doesn’t have to alter their ball flight much anymore like they used to back in the early 90’s and earlier e.g. move the ball in the air left to right or vice-versa …hit high and low etc.

But the article was saying that when the majors come around the course set up is usually a lot different to a regular event and the players are forced back into shot making mode. The fairways and greens are harder and faster, the course is longer and narrower so position comes into play, and pins are tucked away much more. However, most of them bar Woods are incapable of making the change back because they’ve lost the art through improvement to equipment – especially the low spin balls – and have become lazy.

Apparently, according to Ogilvy, leading up to majors, Tiger Woods changes his ball to one with the highest spin rate possible and spends hours on the range practicing all manner of weird and high bending shots and stingers and stuff. He then actually employs these shots in events leading up to the majors so that he’s absolutely tuned in to be able to move the ball around in the air any way that he wants to.

This often leads to a completely different strategy as to how he may attack a hole in a major (or the whole course for that matter) compared to his competitors. Apparently his competitors and his competitors caddies often get bewildered by what he’s doing. He’ll hit shorter or longer clubs than is necessary…hit to spots on fairways that nobody else is aiming for then radically shape the next one from there to get as close to the pin as possible. All sorts of stuff. Ogilvy reckons it is amazing to watch.




Yep , it's Gospel Red , I've mentioned before , I've had the pleasure of watching him Practice and believe me , no-one else even thinks of the Shots he attempts , let alone try's them.

That's the difference right there , Tiger plays against himself and his own imagination , while the othere's are happy just to be striking the Ball consistently.
 
Disco08 said:
Woods IS the game as a spectacle. That's quite evident if you read Redford's recounting of the GW article. Record numbers of people aren't turning up to these big tournament to catch a glimpse of Craig Parry.


Well , to be fair to Craig Parry , he is playing the Japanese Tour now , but I get what your saying there Disco.
 
jackfrost said:
Yep , it's Gospel Red , I've mentioned before , I've had the pleasure of watching him Practice and believe me , no-one else even thinks of the Shots he attempts , let alone try's them.

That's the difference right there , Tiger plays against himself and his own imagination , while the othere's are happy just to be striking the Ball consistently.

Yep, like you snacklost, I too have seen Tiger (or Woodsie as I call him when he rings me up for a few tips) play often and watched him on the range for hours.

You watch him on the range next to others, and the ball flight and trajectory is different to everyone else. Besides every shot coming out of the club face like a rifle, the ball angles up into the stratosphere really high and long and then drops straight out of the sky really softly.

Its amazing to watch him hit the driver. He hits its 300 yards plus on the fly, but the ball comes down like its been hit with a 9 iron.

Then, he can take the driver or 3 wood or 2 iron and hit screaching stingers that go no higher than 20 feet or so and all the while bend it and shape it at will. Amazing stuff.

And then there's his putting and general short game.....geeezuz. Has there EVER been a greater 'clutch' putter ?
 
CC TIGER said:
A mate of mine got me a Nickent driver the other day,very very impressive,has anybody else tried them yet?

I tried a few rescue woods of theirs a few years ago which were ok. (That's actually how they got a bit of a name and foothold in the market isnt it, with those rescue clubs ?)
 
Redford said:
I tried a few rescue woods of theirs a few years ago which were ok. (That's actually how they got a bit of a name and foothold in the market isnt it, with those rescue clubs ?)
I believe Vijay an a couple of other big names use there rescues an there is countless amounts on the Nationwide an Im told there will be quite a few on the main tour over the next 18 months.

Obviously not quite as good as that wonderful Cobra product ;D but the driver had easily the best traditional feel Ive hit in years an it go's real hard,I went over the green on the 2nd at St A which is 290ish uphill :eek:
 
You don't see many cart paths crossing fairways 220m from the tee on new courses these days.
 
Disco08 said:
Woods IS the game as a spectacle. That's quite evident if you read Redford's recounting of the GW article. Record numbers of people aren't turning up to these big tournament to catch a glimpse of Craig Parry.
Don't need to read the article. As a TV spectacle they may as well have Woods in exhibition matches. He is that dominant.

The rest make oodles of money without really trying to compete with him. One or two of them(e.g. Appleby) have finally gotten serious about physical training. Els, Singh, Mickelson, Daly, Parry, Cabrera, Montgomerie, Walrus & son etc. are hardly athletes. Too much money for too little effort. The Aussie contingent does well but still does not excite the fans like Greg Norman used to.
 
Here's an article about Woods and TV ratings. You may not personally enjoy watching Tiger tear a course and the best the world has to offer apart but you can rest assured plenty of people do.
 
Disco08 said:
Here's an article about Woods and TV ratings. You may not personally enjoy watching Tiger tear a course and the best the world has to offer apart but you can rest assured plenty of people do.

Yep, I'm one of them. I also like to watch him to see if anyone duelling with him has the moxie and game to beat him or whether they'll capitulate like they so often do e.g. Dubai a few weeks ago. That was just rivetting golf viewing that final round.
 
Redford said:
Yep, I'm one of them. I also like to watch him to see if anyone duelling with him has the moxie and game to beat him or whether they'll capitulate like they so often do e.g. Dubai a few weeks ago. That was just rivetting golf viewing that final round.
Agree, but it would be a lot more exciting if there were opposition players who had the moxie and got their mojos working in the final round. When Tiger leads into the final day the current mob all shut up shop.
 
He is a interesting case Tiger. Clary a once in a lifetime sportsmen but he has done pretty well at maintaining a distance from the media. He sits with Ali and Jordan IMO.
 
Redford said:
Yep, I'm one of them. I also like to watch him to see if anyone duelling with him has the moxie and game to beat him or whether they'll capitulate like they so often do e.g. Dubai a few weeks ago. That was just rivetting golf viewing that final round.

I'm not a fan of Woods but I don't question his golf. What I do enjoy is when someone really pushes him (doesn't happen often enough) like Badds did the other day. It was the best day's golf I have ever seen. They were both right on their games but Badds just couldn't make those clutch Dean Putts - but of course, Woods did.