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Good grief. I know Woods is the best in the world by a mile and that he can do stuff (e.g. clutch putts and shots) that nobody else can with such regularity and you therefore expect him to contend all the time, but honestly, I reckon 20%-30% of his wins come from the fact that his competitors just arent good enough to get the job done.
That closing effort by Els and Stenson last night in Dubai was just pathetic, especially Els who yet again *(&*^$% ‘ed up when he was in the box seat. Yeah I know Tiger shot 65 with a closing 31, but how the hell did Els close with a 38 ! ? He was 4 shots in front at one stage ! Stenson closed with a 40 !
Part of Woods dominance is the fact that his best competition is mediocre. Mickelson, Els etc. They don’t have the mental toughness. The way Woods ground out that 65 last night would have been impossible for those guys to do because when the going gets tough, Woods gets going, whereas despite their talent, Els and co just wilt away half the time.
How did Els &*&%#$# up that 18th so badly ? His tee shot was mediocre and left him 225 yards to the front. But even then, as the commentators were saying, he still should have been able to make the distance easy because Woods had 235 from the rough and put it over the back. Els came up about 25m short ! He couldn’t have hit it any more than 200m. What a garbage shot !
I like Woods, but geez its frustrating watching some of these blokes capitulate to him over and over again. If they were playing at their peak in this current era, I doubt blokes like Nicklaus, Palmer, Trevino, Player, Watson, Ballesteros and co. would wilt like some of these blokes do.
Not tough enough ! Sooooft !
That closing effort by Els and Stenson last night in Dubai was just pathetic, especially Els who yet again *(&*^$% ‘ed up when he was in the box seat. Yeah I know Tiger shot 65 with a closing 31, but how the hell did Els close with a 38 ! ? He was 4 shots in front at one stage ! Stenson closed with a 40 !
Part of Woods dominance is the fact that his best competition is mediocre. Mickelson, Els etc. They don’t have the mental toughness. The way Woods ground out that 65 last night would have been impossible for those guys to do because when the going gets tough, Woods gets going, whereas despite their talent, Els and co just wilt away half the time.
How did Els &*&%#$# up that 18th so badly ? His tee shot was mediocre and left him 225 yards to the front. But even then, as the commentators were saying, he still should have been able to make the distance easy because Woods had 235 from the rough and put it over the back. Els came up about 25m short ! He couldn’t have hit it any more than 200m. What a garbage shot !
I like Woods, but geez its frustrating watching some of these blokes capitulate to him over and over again. If they were playing at their peak in this current era, I doubt blokes like Nicklaus, Palmer, Trevino, Player, Watson, Ballesteros and co. would wilt like some of these blokes do.
Not tough enough ! Sooooft !
Not that I disagree Red but nobody could have played as bad as Tiger an shot 6 under on the back nine,Jack may have been somewhere near his mental capabilities but not in the same league as a player an the others, mear chumps compared to this guy,simply the standard on which excellence is measured
CC TIGER said:
Yeah, thats what I'm saying. These blokes (Mickelson, Els etc.) cant grind out a decent score when they're not 100% on top of their game like Woods can. Worse, they fall apart even when they're playing well (like Els did last night). As leader he went out 2 under on the front 9 and everything was looking fine, but as the pressure came he threw in 3 bogies on the back 9 with a ridiculous effort on the 18th. He capitulated yet again in a head to head with Woods.
Woods is a special player and he's won truckloads of tournaments by just simply being the out and out best. And for as long as he stays healthy he'll continue to do that. But you cant deny that his competition is questionable in this era, due largely to the mental frailty of many of them and that subsequently, he's had a few tournaments handed to him over the years.
When we role of the other legends of the game Jack,Palmer,Hogan,Nelson,Player an a few others we are covering a hell of a lot of time,basically one champion every 10 years,the thing is until Tiger these guys didnt have the depth of talent to compete against,plenty of very good players have there day in the sun such as Daly,Mize,Tway,Kite an co ,my point been when Jack an co teed it up there was generally no more then 6-10 players who could win but now its at least 30 who can ,Tiger dosent just knock of Fat Phil an Ernie "hope Tigers not playing Augusta" Els thers always a new face up having a crack at the title each week.
The other thing is most big events dont get won with 6 unde for the last 9 by the leaders it generally no more then 3 under when the real heat comes on Sunday,its all about the mistakes you dont make
The other thing is most big events dont get won with 6 unde for the last 9 by the leaders it generally no more then 3 under when the real heat comes on Sunday,its all about the mistakes you dont make
I disagree with some of that.
Nicklaus won 18 majors in an era that included having to go up against the likes of Palmer, Player, Trevino, Watson, Ballesteros, Floyd, Norman and co.
Perhaps with the exception of Norman, can you honestly say that Woods has had to compete against a group of players with the ability and toughness of that group I just mentioned ? Hardly.
Plenty of talent out on Tour nowadays, and yes I agree any one of 100 blokes can win a tournament. But what about at the top level...the supposed cream ? You know, the blokes who are gonna be in the cut and thrust regularly with Woods ? How do they stack up with those blokes I just mentioned ?
Mickelson, Els, Singh, Goosen etc whilst all very good players, dont have that killer edge like Palmer, Trevino, Watson, Ballesteros and Floyd had.
Nicklaus won 18 majors in an era that included having to go up against the likes of Palmer, Player, Trevino, Watson, Ballesteros, Floyd, Norman and co.
Perhaps with the exception of Norman, can you honestly say that Woods has had to compete against a group of players with the ability and toughness of that group I just mentioned ? Hardly.
Plenty of talent out on Tour nowadays, and yes I agree any one of 100 blokes can win a tournament. But what about at the top level...the supposed cream ? You know, the blokes who are gonna be in the cut and thrust regularly with Woods ? How do they stack up with those blokes I just mentioned ?
Mickelson, Els, Singh, Goosen etc whilst all very good players, dont have that killer edge like Palmer, Trevino, Watson, Ballesteros and Floyd had.
100% on the money Red.Redford said:
One of sports greatest competitors, John McEnroe, expressed similar sentiments when asked what he thought about how Pete Sampras dominated the grand slams. He said words to the effect of "yeah he's a very good player but no-one really takes it up to him. Most are beaten before they start. He hasn't seriously been challenged". He was then asked what he would have done..... and his answer was a classic, showing how a real champion competitor thinks. "Find a way to put him off his game. I'd even give him a really hard shoulder bump when we were changing ends if that's what it needed to rattle him. Things like that".
Look at Tiger's 3rd round. He had a bad day by his own standards. One incident rattled him when a photogragher snapped him at the start of his downstroke. Ernie Els should have been paying guys to do that on every one of Tiger's final 18 holes.
No-one stretched the laws and spirit of the game like McEnroe did, but everyone wanted to watch him perform.Freezer said:
Golf has it's own etiquette and traditions but they also get stretched. How often for example does Tiger benefit from an amazing "rebound" out of the rough or off a spectator
