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Actually I owe Jason Day an apology (even if he'll never know or care what I said). As a keen follower I was really disappointed with his collapse at the Masters in Rd.4 and inferred he choked.
It turns out that he suffered a bout of vertigo - an ailment I've been lucky enough to never have had. But a good friend did years ago and told me how difficult it made his life; even difficult to get out of bed.
Anyway, I hope JD can finally get his act together for 4 rounds.
Yes, might not have helped him; seemed out of sorts Rd.4. However, later commented on the pain of constant slow play and waiting on so many shots.
Cantlay in group in front.
Must have been a weird rallying talk he gave the troops.
C'mon lads, the new schedule is great, come with me and stop being soft. Or if you can afford to drop $3 million of bonus money just don't worry about it.
What’s your problem ? He was totally burnt out mentally. He knew what he was doing. He doesn’t have a problem with losing $3m. That’s entirely his choice just as it is for Phil Mickelson to take $200m from the Saudis.
Rory: “I understood the consequences of that decision before I made it. So whatever happens, happens.” Did you choose not to read that ?
Further, you’re wrong with the $3m. Anyone doing the same doesn’t lose $3m. The bonus is calculated on a stepped level, with Rory currently 2nd on the scale behind Woods. “So lads, for most of you, you won’t lose anything like the $3m I did” is what you should have said. For example, 16 to 23 receive $2m in total so 25% is $500k. Those guys would all be earning tens of millions of dollars from endorsements each year so hardly think that they’d give a *smile* if they thought they were gonna drop $500k if they desperately needed a mental break. It’s all money they never used to get anyway as well.
Why don’t you have an issue with Big Mouth Mick or “I was in awe of myself” Norman spouting off every week about LIV and/or ragging on the PGA Tour ? Only Rory. Strange that. Hmmmm.
And as for knobs….hah hah hah…Mickelson is considered the king of knobs on Tour ! What planet have you been on ? But he’s got serious LIV competition now. Sergio, De Chambeau, Reed, Koepka, Poulter to name but a few. Yep, the biggest knobs in the game. All on the LIV Tour. One big LIV knob party.
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My problem is the bloke is a complete hypocrite.
Helps architect the new schedule, then when the players he is meant to represent don't find out about it until it is announced and push back, he says I'm doing it so you should as though he is some sort of golfing god they should all bow down and worship. He says athletes don't get to choose when and where they play and calls them all soft.
Then the first time he has a bad round he snatches it and doesn't front up for the next tournament. Hang on Rory, you're doing this so we should as well and athletes don't get to pick and choose where they play? Remember?
Nope, poor Rory was 'disappointed' after the Masters and couldn't play. Jon Rahm could win the Masters and still meet the commitments that Rory put on him, but poor Rory was too disappointed.
I don't know why we haven't latched on to this as a footy club. We should have gone to the AFL weeks ago and said we're a bit disappointed and therefore unable to play. We could of had all our games postponed until everyone was back from injury, had time to train and be fighting fit and ready to go. That's what athletes do apparently.
What a wacky outlook and analogy. Seems like your overt dislike of Rory and the PGA Tour - and bizarre protection of anything and everything LIV - has distorted your thinking. You seem to do this a lot on PRE. Silly, made up theatrical words like Rory telling people to “bow down” etc. Stay focused. Keep your bias in check.
How can anyone who’s helped create rules and penalties around a particular format or program be seen as a “hypocrite” when they comfortably accept the penalties of those rules themselves ? I’d have thought that’s meritorious ? He didn’t *smile*, he didn’t complain, he didn’t play the “I’m special” card, he just played by the rules. Admirable to most people, but clearly not you. Bizarre.
Everyone knows where they stand. That can only be good.
Ever heard of an AFL player needing a mental break ? Ever hear of an AFL player needing time off for personal circumstances ? Are you familiar with the player D. Martin at all ? I thought you said you had great experience with elite sports people ?
Speaking of architecture and representing players properly, what’s your view on LIV discounting players out of their 48 man fields and, it seems, also recouping from some of them their winnings from the sign on bonuses that they received ?
I think the PGA Tour, despite its issues, is still a far better product than LIV but otherwise I’m bi-partisan because I just like to watch good golf. But you, on the other hand, have a massive bias. You won’t even acknowledge the same outspoken performances of Mickelson that you can’t cop from McIlroy. Quite….what’s the word I’m looking for…hypocritical.
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You seem to be doing whatabouting or whatever it is called here. What has Phil Mickelson got to do with McIlroy breaking his commitment to play designated events?
And accepting the penalties is a furphy when the penalties are a complete joke. Forgoing a percentage of bonus money, that is essentially just a made up way to buy off the biggest names not to go to LIV. It's like he went to the tribunal and they gave him $10,000 so they could fine him $3,000. Bloody admirable to cop that on the chin though.
As for the mental break stuff, I call BS. Your comparison to Dustin is flawed, even if we do say he took a mental break last year it was because of the death of his father, not because he played a poor game of footy. Big difference between a break because of a personal issue and because you are disappointed in how you play the Masters.
You're wrong that I have a massive bias to LIV, I like LIV, but I also like the PGA Tour. What I don't like is the PGA Tour thinking it owns golf and people like McIlroy thinking they have some level of superiority because they stick with the status quo.
Because you’re upset about Rory any time he opens his mouth. But not Mickelson. And where designated events are concerned, I’ve addressed that each and every post.
You don’t like answering questions either do you ?
Buying off players not to go to LIV ? You mean like buying off players not to stay on Tour ? Hah hah hah. Your uber bias has given you a mental fever and prevents you from thinking straight it seems.
And stop making up silly, childish analogies that don’t or never existed. “It’s like blah blah blah….”
Give it up. Professional athletes take breaks through mental exhaustion all the time. You know they do. Just put the bias aside.
Rory doesn’t think he has some superiority. That’s just your thinking (bias).
I'm not upset every time he opens his mouth, I just think he's a massive wanker. Still not sure what link that has to do with my thoughts about Mickelson unless you are saying you can't comment on a golfer without declaring your feelings for every other golfer as well which would clearly be weird.
I think I love answering questions but maybe not as much as you love conflating issues. The issue isn't the buying off of players, it's the pretending that fake money then being withheld is a penalty. Briar patch stuff. Mental exhaustion, more conflation. I'm not saying people don't take breaks with mental exhaustion, I'm saying McIlroy didn't. He played a poor tournament and didn't want to play the next week. I concede I could be seen as technically wrong there because maybe sooking counts as mental exhaustion, it's a very undefined term.
I love how your last sentence rebuts my opinion that he thinks he is superior with your opinion that he doesn't, but my opinion is the one formed with bias. I'd roll out an analogy for that but I'm not sure you quite have a handle on what they are or how they work so I won't.
Ok, so you think Rory is a wanker. I think Phil is a wanker. Sergio too. Rory ? Meh. But unlike you with Rory, I don’t complain each time the LIV players open their mouth.
And that’s the difference between you and I. I can see both tours are just defending their turf but you don’t like Rory doing it because you don’t like Rory. And you’re a LIV barracker too. Which is actually all ok, but it equals bias in any fair persons mind and dilutes your objectivity.
Conflating ? That’s the word I (and others ) often use with you on other threads. Ironic.
Anyway, what’s conflating about you thinking that Rory is just having fake money withheld (a silly suggestion in its own right because earnings are earnings doesnt matter what you’re deducting it from) versus me raising that LIV offsets winnings against sign on bonuses ? It’s real money. It’s being deducted. Both tours are doing it. Repeat…BOTH. LIV players are contracted to play 8 events with penalties if they don’t, just like Rory and others on Tour with PIP. BOTH again.
What’s conflating about raising the fact that you think Rory as a spokesperson on PIP, (or anything else to do with the Tour) = bad, superiority complex blah blah blah when guys like Mickelson and Sergio are doing the same thing ? But of course you don’t wanna go there coz of your LIV bias. You want to term it conflating when reality is, it’s the same thing. BOTH sets of players just defending their turf. I don’t have a problem with either side doing it, but you do with Rory and the Tour. Again, can’t be considered as anything else but biased.
Sooking ? You clearly haven’t read why Rory took a break. Quite open. Talks about the last 12 months. But again who cares anyway. Guy made a decision that he paid a price for. Nobody seems to have a problem with it except you, because you are, as we know, biased and conditioned towards thinking that way. I think I’ve read you saying on other threads how burn out is real etc. but of course it doesn’t apply to Rory. He’s just “sooking.”
Was Mickelson taking a mental break last year for continually putting his foot in his mouth “sooking” as well ? That’ll be another question you won’t answer.
You seem to think Rory is some sort of deviser or constructor of PIP. He’s not. He’s just a spokesperson. PIP started before LIV with LIV players endorsing it. It was constructed by the PGA Tour as a means of recognising the top end talent and what they bring to the game and can then be distributed down to lesser performing and lower profile players. It was signed off by the Players Advisory Council (PAC) of which McIlroy is but one of only about 12 or so other playing members who range from top flight players to virtual nobodies.
The change to PIP in respect to designated events, larger pool of money, penalties etc to counter LIV, were again created by the Tour and endorsed by the PAC with input from Tiger Woods, Nicklaus and others. Rory McIlroy as the biggest player name on Tour, and who is charged with being the player spokesperson for it, is obviously going to promote it, just as Mickelson being the biggest name for LIV does for anything on that tour. What’s the difference ? None. But hey, I know you think that’s “conflating” and that otherwise, Rory doing it is just bad bad bad….
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Well, despite an absurd tee shot on 18 that only went 50 yards, A. Scott is still in with some chance at Quail Hollow.
Nice track. Brutal finish. Something like 500 times the last 3 or 4 holes have been played under par but 7,500 times over par. Something like that….amazing.
The Unluckiest Golfer In The World won’t win. Too unlucky. Antics in the bunker on 18 were priceless too.
Nice track. Brutal finish. Something like 500 times the last 3 or 4 holes have been played under par but 7,500 times over par. Something like that….amazing.
The Unluckiest Golfer In The World won’t win. Too unlucky. Antics in the bunker on 18 were priceless too.
Ariya putting the lights out.
Have been impressed with Kyriacou's iron play this tournament.
I don't complain every time Lord McIlroy opens his mouth, that would be a full time job. Just when he acts like a complete hypocrite, only complete because he is a hypocrite generally.
And I still don't understand the need to reference other people. I think Sergio is a wanker too. And Adam Scott. And lots of others. Don't get the relevance.
I can also see both tours defending their turf, although I think only the PGA Tour is trying to kill the competition. I don't care who says what to defend their tour, Rory or otherwise. By the way I think if you check your own bias you'll find you are clearly a PGAT supporter and just as diluted the other way.
LIV has been pretty plain in saying that prize money is not connected to the sign on or contract money. I recall Sports Illustrated investigated it by checking with different players and managers and found the same thing as well.
As for fake money, I maintain that inventing a reason to give someone 12 million and then withholding 3 is hardly a penalty.
No, I think Rory is ordinary for saying one thing and doing another. I've never knocked him for defending the PGA Tour, apart from not liking the way he comes across as being sanctimonious, but I've never said he isn't entitled to.
And yes I think Phil was sooking when he stayed away. Made stupid comments and hid from them. The big difference is before that Phil didn't say all the players should be like me and commit to play these tournaments, not be soft and then turn around and drop out.
No I don't and never have.
"Grange Golf Club members angry over damage caused by LIV Golf, say they don’t want it back"
The tours at the end of the day -apart from their playing format - are very similar. This was borne out a few weeks ago in court where a number of LIV player contracts were tabled. Otherwise, despite the volumes of money being applied, the terms of player contracts, having spokespeople sprouting their respective tour etc it appears very similar.
You think Rory is a hypocrite for not playing. I don’t because he outlined why he wasn’t playing. I’m ok with it. None of his Tour compatriots seem to have a problem with it. In fact I’m struggling to see anyone but you having a problem with it.
Fake money. Really ? Doesn’t make any sense at all. None. It’s money…it’s real…it’s paid to them. Just like LIV pay bonuses to their players. Is that fake too ? No. If your employer said he was deducting 25% of your entitled bonus I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t be shrugging your shoulders saying “Ah well. It was fake money anyway.” Bizarre take.
If I was to point a finger at someone for being a hypocrite it’d be Phil Mickelson and all the stuff he came out with prior to joining LIV. Setting the table for departure by complaining about certain restrictions placed on him by the Tour. But then he goes and signs a contract with LIV that has very similar restrictions, and which some people are saying are actually even more onerous than the Tour’s, but he obviously didn’t care because he was getting $200m of “fake money” to do so. Now that’s genuine hypocrisy.
