Meh. They knew what they were getting into. That happens at every club that holds a big pro event.
They probably got paid enough to build a new course anyway or discount their subs by 50% or whatever. When it trickles down to them, they’ll shut up.
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They probably got paid enough to build a new course anyway or discount their subs by 50% or whatever. When it trickles down to them, they’ll shut up.
If it goes to a Melbourne golf course they'll carry on as if their throat has been cut.
Maybe. But I think the big metro clubs in Melbourne at least are used to holding big events and the pros and cons that come with it.
I'm a big fan, I've had him a couple of time at a cost of just 3 points in the prestigious Drodfer tipping comp, unlikely to get him that cheaply again.
I sort of like him although his post Ryder Cup performance was pretty ordinary. Apparently he’s a very decent guy with a low ego and a sense of humour, due largely to his dad who is German and doesn’t really get all the fuss etc and keeps him in check.
Can’t quite work out why he keeps falling short. Pretty good in most facets but perhaps accuracy off the tee lets him down a bit and he doesn’t seem to make the putts in the heat of a final round like many others do.
No, I think he's a hypocrite for telling everyone else to stop whinging and get onboard with the new schedule and then not getting onboard with the new schedule.
I reckon it is pretty simple. The PIP money is nothing but a construction to keep players from getting tempted by LIV. They couldn't just give the top guys money, because that would be just LIV and take away the attack angle of 'earning it in the dirt' and that sort of wankery.
They couldn't just up the prizemoney because those guys might not win, so they needed a way to give them cash without it being a gift.
It was obvious who was going to receive PIP money because it essentially works on how many social media followers you have, and it's just about impossible for anyone to know the criteria it is awarded by, so it's the perfect way to do it.
That's what I mean by fake money, it's a slush payment by the PGA tour for nothing. If you are going to lose some money, losing a percentage of money that is just being given to you for absolutely nothing is about the best result you can ever have.
It seemed to me that the biggest issue Mickelson had with the PGA Tour was the ownership over the players image, I'm not sure where that sits with LIV.
The rest of the stuff raised by LIV has essentially been adopted by the PGA Tour now anyway.
Complete beat up. I played a lot at the Grange when I was in Adelaide and asked a couple of members and they said it is complete crap.
Vast majority of members delighted, LIV gave them 300k worth of free tickets for members and they made plenty of cash out of the use of the course. LIV has a two year deal with an option for 2 more and the club is hoping the option is taken up.
The photos in the article are not from playable areas of the course, the only real issue there is the first fairway which was used as a car park for the event and had to continue to be used after the event when the weather got wet.
That's cut up, but it's a 36 hole course so no big deal to be offline for a while.
Who cares what you call it. Doesn’t matter. One iota. It’s receivable money. PIP, bonus, “slush money.” If you become entitled to it and it then gets discounted or penalised who cares what you call it. You still lose your full entitlement. Again, if your employer pays you a bonus (slush money to you) you’re not too happy to receive a penalty on it. And you’d be lying to say otherwise.
And it doesn’t matter who it’s paid to and how much either. LIV paid different sign on bonuses of different scale to different players. Just like the PGA Tour does with PIP. And LIV paid those sign on bonuses to attract Tour players just as PIP is a form of payment to keep Tour players. Who cares. It’s money. It’s payable. Both sides are doing it for the same reasons - to attract and maintain players.
“In August 2022, Judge Beth Freeman, who is overseeing the case, remarked the following about LIV contracts: “[These contracts] lock up these players in ways that the PGA Tour never imagined. They are so restrictive."
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Clark really stood up and handled the pressure and finally got the chocolates. Xander has won what, 5 PGA events? And the Olympic gold. Still young; he's going to win more as his game is solid.
For me, the real story was Adam Scott, again. Good on him for getting well into contention. But OMG! Some of the errors he makes for a player with the swing from heaven - still getting VG distance too - and improved (?) putting/wedges. Hard to believe.
After the 32m drive into a tree leading to a bogey in Rd.3, then stuffed the 1st in Rd. 4 by hitting into bunker, bunker, then missed a 2ft putt for another bogey. Adam, get serious if you want to win a PGA event. If so, come out ready to fire up after both hitting and putting warm-ups. You know the course very well. Stop the dumb mistakes! Shouldn't be suffering too much from nerves by now.
Then on the driveable 16th, with a chance of moving up into 2nd or 3rd, hit a great 3wd onto front of the green, only to putt it totally off into the rough left side. Poor pitch back, missed the putt - bogey when should have had at least a certain birdie.
I know many of these courses must be very tough and TV reduces the gradients etc. But Adam, time's running out. If you can't apply knowledge, experience and skills when it really matters now, you won't just get lucky!
Xander has won 7 times on the PGA Tour Kings of Leon, but one was a teams event with Long Walk Cantlay and another was the Scottish Open (co sanctioned with the DP) so let’s call it 6. He’s almost 30 years old now. With his level of talent I reckon he should have a few more under his belt. Spieth turns 30 in July and he has 13 Tour wins and 3 majors. Short game aside, you could argue X Man has as much talent if not more than Spieth I reckon. Certainly better off the tee.
That stuff from A Scott was typically infuriating A.Scott. Happens time and time again with him. The drive off 18 on Saturday and the missed 2 footer on the 6th on Sunday were farcical. 30 handicapper stuff, really.
Really like the A. Scott, but geez he’s grind your teeth sort of viewing.
Reckon the Souffle is close to a win, I know he has been beaten like an egg white the last 18 months, but I reckon he's close to a win, he's going to have my money on him for the next couple of months.
Love it !!! Beaten like an egg white….brilliant.
His dad is very funny (ex German Olympian). See if you can catch some of his stuff/quips.
Agree with all that, but it's what you allude to. Spieth's short game is remarkable and just saves him so many shots or gets him into contention, then makes him always dangerous. Xander's game is ahead in other respects especially driving. Funny with JS, has extended the length of his driving to compete with the big hitters, but I don't think he can retain control of it often; it just goes off-line and finds plenty of trouble.
Adam,yes as you say. Sounds like a really decent fellow, but does he just completely lack a killer instinct? The antithesis of a Tiger Woods.
Spieth just sprays it everywhere. One of the commentators this week - forget who it was - said in a round about way that it’s a credit to Spieth throughout his career the way he competes, bounces back etc from all his wild shots.
A.Scott is maybe one of a lot of Australians who we’d wish had a bit more success but for one reason or another probably hasn’t won as much as they’re capable of.
As an extension of that, there’s a little bit of an unspoken view in respect of the Australian players on Tour. Sandra Mackenzie brought it up a few years ago on tv during the Vic Open I think it was. Some of it attitude, some of it junior development, some of it work rate. It was interesting. She had a fair crack.
Interesting to hear that view stated but no surprise to me. Although I don't know who Sandra is; find it easy to believe. Take Leish. No surprise he went to LIV; looked like he was never going to win again on the PGA. Maybe too interested in enjoying his wealth, having a beer - the ones from his own company, and pursuing that interest. Scott we agree on. Doubt that the others are good enough, although still hold some hope for MWL, but he's far too erratic still for me. JDay just seems a bit cursed; lot of kids; knees; back and now vertigo. Reminds of that other top former player who won a major but his career was cut short from allergy to ... grass!!
Cam Smith is by far our best, but reckon he was prepared to take the $$$ and run ... to his very laidback, comfortable lifestyle with his 'estate', boat, fishing and sucking beers with Leish and mates. But that's Aussies I guess. Still might be preferable to ending up a little obsessive - the likes of Spieth, Cantlay and maybe even Schleffler now, who looks like to me he wants to cry every time the putts don't go in.
I think Sandra Mackenzie used to play on the WPGA Tour. Not sure. Whatever, she’s been involved in golf for a long time. I think she’s given up commentating now and just leads the quiet life in Australia, but I’d guarantee you’d have heard her commentating something or other in the past, and you’d recognise her voice.
She reckoned that by and large (one or two exceptions eg people like Allenby I guess) that Australians are really well liked on Tour. Good guys. Other players like being paired with us. Don’t take ourselves too seriously. Immense levels of talent.
But dovetailing with that was that we’re seen generally (not all Australians) as being a bit too casual. We don’t practice or prepare as hard as the Americans or most Europeans do. She reckoned that it was her experience when commentating on the PGA Tour that when you went to the practice range at the end of the day, there were only one or two Aussies you’d be a chance of seeing there regularly. The rest would be back at the hotel or off doing other stuff.
She reckoned we lacked a bit of hard nosed professionalism v most of the Americans in terms of practice and preparation, discipline, etc. She put a lot of this down to the fact the Americans have come from a big, cut throat “golf industry” where the best of the best are competing against each other all across the country from early junior days (eg 12 years old), competing for college spots, competing against each other in college and in big, semi professional college environments before they even try to get a spot on Tour. In other words the Americans are used to super intense, large scale competition in a semi pro environment from a young age whereas here in Australia it’s much more casual, less structured and what not.
I dunno how much of this is true. Guess you’d need to be on Tour every week, every year to gauge. But when I look at a lot of Australian players you can maybe see that. You named a few Australian players that you could maybe make that association with. I think Smith for example is on record as saying he doesn’t like practicing much.
A tad harsh from Mackenzie for mine. The competition that young US golfers get from the hundreds of college golf programs gives them a huge advantage.
