Global Warming

[mld]

I get it just fine. The powerful western economies grew inside their protective regimes before they traded outside. They were already strong. This is something the fledglings can't do. This is why the free market is nice idea but doesn't actually exist.

Fair enough, I see you have no interest in reality.

A bit of history study would show you the opposite, that it was through trade that nations grew, and protectionist policy comes later, to protect the grown from the growing. But hey, your mind is made up.

 

[Freezer]

Signed by 16 umm.................scientists...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

Lies, lies, lies...

C'mon Merveille, they're not the real scientists; they're the dumb ones who have no idea what they're doing, or have any background in climate studies.

Heaven's above - you should know better.

 

[Willo]

Signed by 16 umm.................scientists...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

Good, the PM greenBrown and his 2IC Julia the red headed clown can sack Tim Flannel and the rest of the Global warming Climate Change Advisory Wiggles group and save $millions of taxpayers money. Put it into the Health care system where it's needed.

 

[Brodders17]

Signed by 16 umm.................scientists...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

http://brutishandshort.com/2012/01/27/shock-news-global-warming-denialists-are-dishonest-pt-1/

for those who dont want to open the link, according to the writer:
one of these scientist has previously been caught misrepresenting the truth, and has little crediility,
another is a marketing professor with no discernible climate science credentials,
another is a medical doctor, again with no discernible climate science credentials,
another is a recent retiree from ExxonMobil,
another was President of ExxonMobil for 8 years,
and another is a physicist who has specialised in the study of optics and spectroscopy

they are just the first 6 listed, the writer has said he will critique the other scientists credentials soon.

 

[tigersnake]

There an astronaut in there as well, could't figure that one out. This is an embarrassing piece. This is beneath the WSJ. If I was a Murdoch shareholder I'd be concerned, the old bloke is losing his marbles.

 

[Legends of 2017]

Watched somethingthe other night that I found amusing. On Foxtel, there is a show called Paleoworld. As you can guess, it's about dinosaurs. Not sure when it was made, it's a series. It's american. In one of the shows was someone that looked very familiar. Up popped a well known figure to all those interested in the climate debate. A very young PALEONTOLOGIST , Tim Flannery.
I'm sitting on the fence at the moment in regards to whether there is climate change happening, and if there is, whether it's caused by humans or not. But I do find it amusing that those that believe in climate change, ridicule those that are in doubt or don't believe and make fun of the scientists that get mentioned that deny it is happening. Yet, the chief climate change scientist in Australia, as far as I can tell, is just a dinosaur hunter (oh,forgot, Australian of the year as well). Can someone please enlighten me to what makes him an expert in climate change please. I mean, unless he has evidence that an asteroid is going to hit Earth soon (even though that means climate change won't be man made ), isn't a climate change 'denier's ' opinion worth at least the equal of his?

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

Watched somethingthe other night that I found amusing. On Foxtel, there is a show called Paleoworld. As you can guess, it's about dinosaurs. Not sure when it was made, it's a series. It's american. In one of the shows was someone that looked very familiar. Up popped a well known figure to all those interested in the climate debate. A very young PALEONTOLOGIST , Tim Flannery.
I'm sitting on the fence at the moment in regards to whether there is climate change happening, and if there is, whether it's caused by humans or not. But I do find it amusing that those that believe in climate change, ridicule those that are in doubt or don't believe and make fun of the scientists that get mentioned that deny it is happening. Yet, the chief climate change scientist in Australia, as far as I can tell, is just a dinosaur hunter (oh,forgot, Australian of the year as well). Can someone please enlighten me to what makes him an expert in climate change please. I mean, unless he has evidence that an asteroid is going to hit Earth soon (even though that means climate change won't be man made ), isn't a climate change 'denier's ' opinion worth at least the equal of his?

Tim Flannery started his career as a zoologist and paleontologist and has been very active in the area of environmental science and climate change (as we all know) for the past decade or two, including writing the award-winning book The Weather Makers that summarised the science behind AGW. His scientific chops and ability to provide critical commentary on climate change are well established (even for a "dinosaur hunter").

As for scientists attacking the science of climate change, I would recommend Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming. Interesting stuff.

 

[Legends of 2017]

Tim Flannery started his career as a zoologist and paleontologist and has been very active in the area of environmental science and climate change (as we all know) for the past decade or two, including writing the award-winning book The Weather Makers that summarised the science behind AGW. His scientific chops and ability to provide critical commentary on climate change are well established (even for a "dinosaur hunter").

As for scientists attacking the science of climate change, I would recommend Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming. Interesting stuff.

Thanks for that Panthera. Didn't know he was a zoologist as well. Basically, my point is, it seems anybody can become a climate change 'advocate' or 'sceptic' , whether through study, research etc, regardless of previous expertise in the field. But it seems (to me anyway) , that if you are a 'sceptic' your credentials are attacked and ridiculed.

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

Thanks for that Panthera. Didn't know he was a zoologist as well. Basically, my point is, it seems anybody can become a climate change 'advocate' or 'sceptic' , whether through study, research etc, regardless of previous expertise in the field. But it seems (to me anyway) , that if you are a 'sceptic' your credentials are attacked and ridiculed.

That is how all experts become so (study, research etc.) . In addition, his initial fields of research in mammalogy would have led naturally to environmental science due to the obvious impacts of human activity. Flannery's credentials are as open for attack as any of the (so-called) skeptics'. I personally think they stand up well. As for the signatories on these public refutations, well, lets just say I don't ascribe much weight to individuals who have no track record in the field and in many cases have obvious conflicts of interest. When it comes to weighing the sides, I think it is straight forward.

 

[Legends of 2017]

That is how all experts become so (study, research etc.) . In addition, his initial fields of research in mammalogy would have led naturally to environmental science due to the obvious impacts of human activity. Flannery's credentials are as open for attack as any of the (so-called) skeptics'. I personally think they stand up well. As for the signatories on these public refutations, well, lets just say I don't ascribe much weight to individuals who have no track record in the field and in many cases have obvious conflicts of interest. When it comes to weighing the sides, I think it is straight forward.

I would have thought with Flannery's area of expertise, he would have gone the other way. Assuming that climate change is happening, as a paleontologist, he would have studied the environment of long dead creatures. History has shown that the Earth's temperatures have heated up and cooled down many times in the past. Long before humanity was around. to me, this would indicate that as a natural phase in Earth's life. How does he explain what happened then and then link human involvement to what might be happening now?
I'm sorry, reading scientific texts makes my brain hurt :-[ , if someone could simplify things for me (if that;s possible) that would be great. Not picking on Flannery by the way. Just that with his chosen field, I thought it would be appropriate to link him with the question.

 

[ssstone]

I would have thought with Flannery's area of expertise, he would have gone the other way. Assuming that climate change is happening, as a paleontologist, he would have studied the environment of long dead creatures. History has shown that the Earth's temperatures have heated up and cooled down many times in the past. Long before humanity was around. to me, this would indicate that as a natural phase in Earth's life. How does he explain what happened then and then link human involvement to what might be happening now?
I'm sorry, reading scientific texts makes my brain hurt :-[ , if someone could simplify things for me (if that;s possible) that would be great. Not picking on Flannery by the way. Just that with his chosen field, I thought it would be appropriate to link him with the question.

to simplify it
flannery is a do as i say not as i do sort of cretin
why else would he buy waterfront property whilist trying to scare us of huge rises in the sea levels
nothing flim flam has predicted by 2012 has borne fruit, he is a modern day soothsayer ..... FULL OF *smile*
but julia feels the need to pay him 180,000 dollars of our hard earned to keep up the deciet

 

[AngryAnt]

I would have thought with Flannery's area of expertise, he would have gone the other way. Assuming that climate change is happening, as a paleontologist, he would have studied the environment of long dead creatures. History has shown that the Earth's temperatures have heated up and cooled down many times in the past. Long before humanity was around.

Good question Legends. Climate change has happened and will happen throughout Earth's history and Flannery as a Paleontologist would be well aware of this! We are actually in an Ice Age right now, but in an "interglacial period" which is when ice retreats back up to the Poles.

The issue then is whether or not human activity is affecting climate change outside the "normal" range and if so, what are the consequences. Climate change skeptics often say that climate change has always happened so we should just accept it. The issue is the rate of change (change happening more quickly due to human effects) and predictability (what kind of change is happening and what will be the effects on climate). We also know that climate change has meant big changes in geography, animal and human populations and even mass extinctions. In other words, any human induced climate change will not kill the planet, but could have profound effects on human populations. In other words, most likely any human induced climate change is not going to be good for us.

 

[ssstone]

Good question Legends. Climate change has happened and will happen throughout Earth's history and Flannery as a Paleontologist would be well aware of this! We are actually in an Ice Age right now, but in an "interglacial period" which is when ice retreats back up to the Poles.

The issue then is whether or not human activity is affecting climate change outside the "normal" range and if so, what are the consequences. Climate change skeptics often say that climate change has always happened so we should just accept it. The issue is the rate of change (change happening more quickly due to human effects) and predictability (what kind of change is happening and what will be the effects on climate). We also know that climate change has meant big changes in geography, animal and human populations and even mass extinctions. In other words, any human induced climate change will not kill the planet, but could have profound effects on human populations. In other words, most likely any human induced climate change is not going to be good for us.

wax paper arguement,your new religion is starting to unravel

 

[AngryAnt]

wax paper arguement,your new religion is starting to unravel

Mixing your metaphors there ssstoney......

 

[ssstone]

Mixing your metaphors there ssstoney......

that i may be antsy
however turn off your computer ,and your fridge and led us forward to flim flams promised land

 

[Disco08]

Household items can be run efficiently without co2 these days.

 

[AngryAnt]

that i may be antsy
however turn off your computer ,and your fridge and led us forward to flim flams promised land

You are right stoney, I should give up my foolish beliefs in glaciers and gulf streams.

 

[ssstone]

Household items can be run efficiently without co2 these days.

hi disco hope alls well
but you need to come and live in the real world matey

hope the cafe is doing well
sss

 

[Disco08]

My cafe is killing it thanks mate.

I know all about the real world. For instance a mate of mine is a jeweller, small time, 2 kids, mortgage, etc. He struggles for cash a lot of the time. Yet he manages to live in a dwelling with no electricity connection. If he can do it, we all can. Another example is a small town near me that runs entirely on wind power. It also helps supply other markets nearby. Again, if they can do it, anyone can.

Man made emissions may or may not be having an impact on our environment. It's such a murky subject now I have no idea and don't really trust much of what's available from both sides. The point is though that we can hedge our bets by significantly by lowering emissions while actually making use of resources that are replenishing, unlike many current poluting methods. If we can do that, why wouldn't we?

 

[ssstone]

You are right stoney, I should give up my foolish beliefs in glaciers and gulf streams.

you might as well antsy its coming around to bite ya ass ,you can have flimflam and your gulf streams .... i however will keep listening and reading recorded records from farmers families that date back 200 years ; if in doubt i suggest you read a poem that was written by one D.mc kellar
however you will keep trying
p.s antsy
NAME ONE THING FLANNERY PREDICTED THAT HAS COME TO PASS
p.p.s ive been told since 1973 that the barrier reef is going to die....
barstard of a thing keeps proving em wrong tho