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Global Warming

this is the most up to date one i could find

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It would be really interesting to see the 2010 and 2011 because I've done a bit of technical analysis over the years and if that was a price chart for any random stock I didn't know the fundamentals on I'd be willing to bet the odds of it going down from here are more likely than going up. It looks 'bearish', particularly if makes a lower low in the near future.
 
thanks dude. Looks like on that chart it has since made a higher low and a lower high. Short term that would indicate "flat" , possibly rolling over.
 
It comes from blogs.news.com.au. Fair chance you could google the address and find it planted in a Bolta rant I reckon.
 
Just stay on the climate skeptic gravy train boys!

Climate sceptic Willie Soon received $1m from oil companies, papers show

Documents obtained by Greenpeace show prominent opponent of climate change was funded by ExxonMobil, among others

John Vidal, environment editor
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 28 June 2011 18.37 BST
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Willie Soon received over $1m from oil companies including ExxonMobil, documents reveal. Photograph: Donna Williams/AP

One of the world's most prominent scientific figures to be sceptical about climate change has admitted to being paid more than $1m in the past decade by major US oil and coal companies.

Dr Willie Soon, an astrophysicist at the Solar, Stellar and Planetary Sciences Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics, is known for his view that global warming and the melting of the arctic sea ice is caused by solar variation rather than human-caused CO2 emissions, and that polar bears are not primarily threatened by climate change.

But according to a Greenpeace US investigation, he has been heavily funded by coal and oil industry interests since 2001, receiving money from ExxonMobil, the American Petroleum Insitute and Koch Industries along with Southern, one of the world's largest coal-burning utility companies. Since 2002, it is alleged, every new grant he has received has been from either oil or coal interests.

In addition, freedom of information documents suggest that Soon corresponded in 2003 with other prominent climate sceptics to try to weaken a major assessment of global warming being conducted by the UN's leading climate science body, the Nobel prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
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In one 2003 email released to Greenpeace, that Soon sent, it is believed, to four other leading sceptics, he writes: "Clearly [the fourth assessment report] chapters may be too much for any one of us to tackle them all ... But as a team, we may give it our best shot to try to anticipate and counter some of the chapters ..." He adds: "I hope we can ... see what we can do to weaken the fourth assessment report."

In 2003 Soon said at a US senate hearing that he had "not knowingly been hired by, nor employed by, nor received grants from any organisation that had taken advocacy positions with respect to the Kyoto protocol or the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jun/28/climate-change-sceptic-willie-soon
 
big boost for the anti-carbon tax push with a huuge rally attended by 1000 people in sydney last friday. not only was the rally well attended but the speakers represented a great cross-section of the community with such intellects as barnaby joyce, alan jones and warren truss the headlining acts.
 
Record melt will see Arctic ice-free in summer by 2030
John Vidal
July 13, 2011

If trends continue, a largely ice-free Arctic in summer months is likely within 30 years.

SEA ice in the Arctic is melting at a record pace this year, suggesting warming at the north pole is speeding up and a largely ice-free Arctic can be expected in summer months within 30 years.

The area of the Arctic ocean at least 15 per cent covered in ice is this week about 8.5 million square kilometres - lower than the previous record low set in 2007 - according to satellite monitoring by the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado.

As well, data from the University of Washington Polar Science Centre shows that the thickness of Arctic ice this year is also the lowest on record. In the past 10 days, the Arctic ocean has been losing as much as 150,000 square kilometres of sea ice a day, NSIDC director Mark Serreze said.
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''The extent [of the ice cover] is going down, but it is also thinning. So a weather pattern that formerly would melt some ice, now gets rid of much more.

''There will be ups and downs, but we are on track to see an ice-free summer by 2030. It is an overall downward spiral.''

Global warming has been melting Arctic sea ice for the past 30 years at a rate of about 3 per cent a decade on average. But the two new data sets suggest that, if these trends continue, a largely ice-free Arctic in summer months is likely within 30 years.

That is up to 40 years earlier than was anticipated in the last Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment report.

Sea ice, which is at its maximum extent in March and its lowest in September each year, is widely considered to be one of the ''canaries in the mine'' for climate change, because the poles are heating up faster than anywhere else on Earth.

According to the NSIDC, air temperatures for June 2011 were between 1 degree and 4 degrees warmer than average over most of the Arctic ocean.

The findings support a recent study in the journal Science that suggested water flowing from the Atlantic into the Arctic ocean is warmer today than at any time in the past 2000 years and could be one of the explanations for the rapid sea-ice melt now being observed.

Computer simulations performed by NASA suggest that the retreat of Arctic sea ice will not continue at a constant rate.

Instead, the simulations show a series of abrupt decreases such as the one that occurred in 2007, when a ''perfect storm'' of weather conditions coincided and more ice was lost in one year than in the previous 28 years combined. Compared with the 1950s, over half of the Arctic sea ice had disappeared.

What concerns polar scientists is that thicker ice which does not melt in the summer is not being formed as fast as the ice is melting. On average each year about half of the first year ice, formed between September and March, melts during the following summer.

This year, the founder of the Weather Underground climate monitoring website, Jeff Masters, said a high pressure system centred north of Alaska had brought clear skies and plenty of ice-melting sunshine to the Arctic.

Sea ice has an important effect on the heat balance of the polar oceans, since it insulates the relatively warm ocean from the much colder air above, thus reducing heat loss from the ocean

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/record-melt-will-see-arctic-icefree-in-summer-by-2030-20110712-1hcah.html#ixzz1RvleiZ7G
 
Keepit coming freezer if it makes you feel better.

The carbon tax, which will not have detrimental effects on the economy, rather it will have positive effects, and will not leave people worse off, maybe $10 bucks a week if you are on good dough, is the fist baby step. The first baby tweak of the steering wheel to turn around a gigantic aircraft carrier. That boat will take 40- 100 years to turn around.

This is a huge shift in thinking, to charge to pollute, but politics dictates we have to do it very very slowly. Just like the native title was going to kill mining and farming and the GST was going to tax people into poverty, the carbon tax will have bugger all effect on peoples lives.
 
Hold your horses tigersnake, we won't have evidence of how well it works until it has been introduced.

I must admit I am disappointed at the number of Abbott’s direct action policies that have been adopted as part of the carbon tax. Whilst I wasn’t sold on a redistributive carbon tax (as opposed to my preferred model of a revenue-neutral tax), on the upside I thought at least it didn’t indulge in the sort winner-picking that the Productivity Commission report demolished. Ah, well.

It wasn’t a good day for those of us who like good policy, but given the quality at the negotiating table I suppose it was the best they could come up with.
 
This was always going to be the political compromise to end them all mld. As I said, its a huge shift in thinking, it politics dictates it has to be baby steps. I'm just glad we have taken the first step.
 
tigersnake said:
Keepit coming freezer if it makes you feel better.

The carbon tax, which will not have detrimental effects on the economy, rather it will have positive effects, and will not leave people worse off, maybe $10 bucks a week if you are on good dough, is the fist baby step. The first baby tweak of the steering wheel to turn around a gigantic aircraft carrier. That boat will take 40- 100 years to turn around.

This is a huge shift in thinking, to charge to pollute, but politics dictates we have to do it very very slowly. Just like the native title was going to kill mining and farming and the GST was going to tax people into poverty, the carbon tax will have bugger all effect on peoples lives.
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How do you know it will have a positive effect on the economy? How and why?

And now we will be getting a "Green rating" tax on houses. Cost $750. Courtesy of the Julia/Bob/lunatic parties.
Seeing we have income tax, medical tax, gst, fire tax, flood tax, stamp duty tax, air we breathe tax/carbon (dioxide) tax, road tax, petrol tax, cigarette tax, alcohol tax, house green rating tax now coming, are there any other taxes we've missed?
Electricity, water up 50% in 4 years, gas? fuel?
$100k might have been good dough years ago but its getting whittled away fairly quickly these days. Not what you'd call a high income in regard to spending ability.
Funny how the "lower income" are getting OVER compensated. Is this really an admission the feds don't really know the cost effects in the future?
 
willo said:
How do you know it will have a positive effect on the economy? How and why?

And now we will be getting a "Green rating" tax on houses. Cost $750. Courtesy of the Julia/Bob/lunatic parties.
Seeing we have income tax, medical tax, gst, fire tax, flood tax, stamp duty tax, air we breathe tax/carbon (dioxide) tax, road tax, petrol tax, cigarette tax, alcohol tax, house green rating tax now coming, are there any other taxes we've missed?
Electricity, water up 50% in 4 years, gas? fuel?
$100k might have been good dough years ago but its getting whittled away fairly quickly these days. Not what you'd call a high income in regard to spending ability.
Funny how the "lower income" are getting OVER compensated. Is this really an admission the feds don't really know the cost effects in the future?
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Good posting. It's another wealth distribution measure.
 
Its not good posting. And its naive or self deceptive to say so.

Get on board. Many more jobs will be created than post. You kids and grandkids will be living in a cleaner planet and might be working in a high tech industry instead of down a mine.

Sorry to break it to you willo, but $100K is decent dough. We'll be slugged a couple of bucks a week in the initial period(if you're on decent dough that is), then the market will take over in magnificent capitalistic innovative tradition. There is no need to furrow the brow and feign fear and indignation, this is cool.

If we want to clean up the planet we have 2 alternatives. 1. a global revolution. (No likelihood or desire for that to happen) or 2. fix the market failure of free polluting to allow clean energy to grow.

Bottom line: Do we want to do something to clean up the planet for future generations or don't we?
 
willo said:
How do you know it will have a positive effect on the economy? How and why?

And now we will be getting a "Green rating" tax on houses. Cost $750. Courtesy of the Julia/Bob/lunatic parties.
Seeing we have income tax, medical tax, gst, fire tax, flood tax, stamp duty tax, air we breathe tax/carbon (dioxide) tax, road tax, petrol tax, cigarette tax, alcohol tax, house green rating tax now coming, are there any other taxes we've missed?
Electricity, water up 50% in 4 years, gas? fuel?
$100k might have been good dough years ago but its getting whittled away fairly quickly these days. Not what you'd call a high income in regard to spending ability.
Funny how the "lower income" are getting OVER compensated. Is this really an admission the feds don't really know the cost effects in the future?
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What's this "green rating" tax????
 
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