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Game Day Tigers v Demons

Fix this we would be top 4 right now (5-1).

Not sure if it’s fixable because it’s been 6 games in a row.
I think from the last 12 games now, all fairly close, but 3 draws! And 9 losses.

I for one, cannot see how it's getting or going to get better. Over last season and now this, it's just being proven over and over that we cannot win a close one. Principally from returning to a really dumb footy team, to having absolutely atrocious skills, along with poor discipline often too.
I don't see it getting better. No, worse. Our inability to deal with Cartoon or a severely depleted Ducks with both key backs and Buddy out, then losing Amartey in game, was just pathetic. I know we had our share of injuries too, but we lose due to ineptitude, not due to injuries.

Meanwhile, Dimma goes to the pressers every week and mumbles the same platitudes over and over. But NOTHING is changing for the better. We kick like donkeys every time for one. Is anyone listening to him still at PRO?
 
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Just got in from the game and reading the comments. Geez some blokes on here are knee jerk heroes and armchair critics.

Trade this guy, sack that guy, delist that player, recruiters are hopeless etc etc.

From what I saw tonite - what the Demons served up was nothing special, we kick straighter, we probably win that game. Yeah shoulda, woulda, coulda but that fact remains.

Do we have a few older guys that are going to hang up the boots and perhaps should have last year? Yes. I called for it then and was howled down. Ie: I don't care if the Chimp was being willed to 300 or not, he should have retired last year. Truth.

A few other Senior players will need to have a hard look at where they are for next year. Some probably lack motivation after 3 flags....that, plus aging, perhaps desire, a loss of speed, etc. OTOH, you simply can't be up forever. It's set up that way. Period.

Like many, I'm just confused about some of the MC decision and match day changes....there must be reasons for it that we are not privy to.

Some on here think we would have picked up the Dutchman.... I'm not sure one good game makes him a superstar ?

Take the year for what it is going to be - after the last 5 years, I for one will be eternally grateful that I was around to experience what we all did.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Club quietly knows EXACTLY where they are at and did not have real op 4 expectations for the year - I think their primary focus is to learn who can do what in the process of regenerating the team. In fact I feel that they've been setting themselves to do this over this/next season.

My 2c.
 
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Melbourne have got a great recruiting staff. They have consistently nailed their picks since 2014. They don't seem afraid to draft for needs either rather than just ranking like we seem too. Van Rooyen will devolp into a similar player to Oscar Allen. Great recruiting by them. Old mate Matt Clarke drafted Coleman Jones before Allen and Tom Brown before Van Rooyen. Get those picks right and our future looks a lot better.

But I seriously doubt that he has. You only had one job to do, Matt, with all that info, data and footage. Hope I'm wrong but I have no confidence at all atm.
 
Interesting game.

Clearly some improvement. There was more cohesion at times and the kicks across the back line were working better. Plus, it was quite noticeable that players were kicking to team mates who were on the move. Sometimes it looked to me like our players were deliberately kicking to where the receiving player should have been going, which I like because we too often kick to a player who is not moving and the pass gets intercepted.

Far better cohesion for most of the game.

We were holding on in the third quarter and just remained ahead at 3/4 time but the last quarter was a bit of a quandary. I thought we were getting smacked badly in clearances but looking at the stats we have more inside 50s in the last than they did and the same number of scoring shots.

Yes, we should have been further ahead earlier in the game but we were playing one of the premiership favourites and we are not at that level. Missing some very gettable shots does suck the life out of momentum, as does cheap turnovers leading to opposition goals. We have a lot of work to do there. Some bloody goal kicking practice wouldn't go astray.

Cotchin was good in spurts, looks like he just can't do it for the whole game any more.

Martin is a huge worry. Showed a couple of signs but really does not look like he wants to impose himself, not sure what is wrong there but attitude and hunger do look to be a problem.

Samson Ryan clearly took a step forward tonight. He was always going to be a slow burn but is improving.

I thought Miller was ok, he was competing in the ruck, needs some marking practice (not alone there) but was ok.

Taking Miller off for Hugo was a disastrous move. Completely unbalanced the side and Van Rooyen took full advantage. Young needs an apology for that. Plus, just on a team structure point of view, let alone talent the way it looks at the moment, why the F**ck did we not draft Van Rooyen? It makes so little sense, even if you thought Brown was better, we simply didn't need another player like that and we have been staring down the barrel of retiring key forwards for a number of years. Completely baffling decision.

What was with taking Balta out of defence, If there's one thing we should have learned is that Balta can be very good in defence, just don't send him elsewhere. He thinks too slowly and does not have footy IQ. Defence is the only place for him.

I really can't see it with Hugo and Mansell, depth or delist material from what I can see. They both need a lot of improvement to justify their places on the list.

Melbourne played the way good teams do, they stayed close enough and turned it on when they needed to win. The fact we got called "plucky' in the media is a huge worry, you get described as plucky when no-one expected you to get close.

Time to put a rocket under a few players, that includes you Shai, time to farewell some premiership heroes at the end of the year, and time to keep giving the youngsters experience. This season is not a write off, we play like that against Footscray, Carlton and even Sydney we would have won at least 2 of those games.

Need to back up a much improved performance with a decent win against Gold Coast at Chernobyl next week.

DS
Thanks DS agree with all that
 
Some on here think we would have picked up the Dutchman.... I'm not sure one good game makes him a superstar ?

It wasn't even 1 good game, he was good for a quarter when we all know that Dimma screwed all our structures up and massivly exposed Young. Van Rooyen was the beneficiary of that.

The stats tell the story. He kicked 3 goals all from marks. He took 3 marks for the game, all in the final quarter.

8 touches for the game, 5 kicks, 3 handballs and the 3 marks.
4th quarter he has, 4 kicks, 3 marks and 3.1
1st 3 quarters he had 4 touches, 1 kick, 3 handballs. - Well played Tylar Young, but he was massively exposed in the last by a poor decision by Dimma. Youn actually kept the superstar incredibly quiet until Dimma made that horrendous call.
 
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Just got in from the game and reading the comments. Geez some blokes on here are knee jerk heroes and armchair critics.


I have a sneaking suspicion that the Club quietly knows EXACTLY where they are at and did not have real op 4 expectations for the year - I think their primary focus is to learn who can do what in the process of regenerating the team. In fact I feel that they've been setting themselves to do this over this/next season.

My 2c.
So how do you think trading away all our top picks fits into this mysterious master-plan? Who for instance is the budding JR8 replacement?
 
It wasn't even 1 good game, he was good for a quarter when we all know that Dimma screwed all our structures up and massivly exposed Young. Van Rooyen was the beneficiary of that.

The stats tell the story. He kicked 3 goals all from marks. He took 3 marks for the game, all in the final quarter.

8 touches for the game, 5 kicks, 3 handballs and the 3 marks.
4th quarter he has, 4 kicks, 3 marks and 3.1
1st 3 quarters he had 4 touches, 1 kick, 3 handballs. - Well played Tylar Young, but he was massively exposed in the last by a poor decision by Dimma. Youn actually kept the superstar incredibly quiet until Dimma made that horrendous call.
So Cumbo was as good or better.?
 
So Cumbo was as good or better.?

Cumbo was great for a quarter, then dropped way way off. We need to find a way to keep him in games more.

I know what you are trying to say, but the way Cumbo created goals was in the 1st quarter when the Melbourne defence were freshest and had their structures in place. We gave Van Rooyen the opportunity to do what he did with a massive leg up, Cumbo did it off his back so for me Cumbo was better, but all the news will be about how JVR won the game for Melbourne.
 
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Interesting game.

Clearly some improvement. There was more cohesion at times and the kicks across the back line were working better. Plus, it was quite noticeable that players were kicking to team mates who were on the move. Sometimes it looked to me like our players were deliberately kicking to where the receiving player should have been going, which I like because we too often kick to a player who is not moving and the pass gets intercepted.

Far better cohesion for most of the game.

We were holding on in the third quarter and just remained ahead at 3/4 time but the last quarter was a bit of a quandary. I thought we were getting smacked badly in clearances but looking at the stats we have more inside 50s in the last than they did and the same number of scoring shots.

Yes, we should have been further ahead earlier in the game but we were playing one of the premiership favourites and we are not at that level. Missing some very gettable shots does suck the life out of momentum, as does cheap turnovers leading to opposition goals. We have a lot of work to do there. Some bloody goal kicking practice wouldn't go astray.

Cotchin was good in spurts, looks like he just can't do it for the whole game any more.

Martin is a huge worry. Showed a couple of signs but really does not look like he wants to impose himself, not sure what is wrong there but attitude and hunger do look to be a problem.

Samson Ryan clearly took a step forward tonight. He was always going to be a slow burn but is improving.

I thought Miller was ok, he was competing in the ruck, needs some marking practice (not alone there) but was ok.

Taking Miller off for Hugo was a disastrous move. Completely unbalanced the side and Van Rooyen took full advantage. Young needs an apology for that. Plus, just on a team structure point of view, let alone talent the way it looks at the moment, why the F**ck did we not draft Van Rooyen? It makes so little sense, even if you thought Brown was better, we simply didn't need another player like that and we have been staring down the barrel of retiring key forwards for a number of years. Completely baffling decision.

What was with taking Balta out of defence, If there's one thing we should have learned is that Balta can be very good in defence, just don't send him elsewhere. He thinks too slowly and does not have footy IQ. Defence is the only place for him.

I really can't see it with Hugo and Mansell, depth or delist material from what I can see. They both need a lot of improvement to justify their places on the list.

Melbourne played the way good teams do, they stayed close enough and turned it on when they needed to win. The fact we got called "plucky' in the media is a huge worry, you get described as plucky when no-one expected you to get close.

Time to put a rocket under a few players, that includes you Shai, time to farewell some premiership heroes at the end of the year, and time to keep giving the youngsters experience. This season is not a write off, we play like that against Footscray, Carlton and even Sydney we would have won at least 2 of those games.

Need to back up a much improved performance with a decent win against Gold Coast at Chernobyl next week.

DS
Another thoughtful and accurate post DS that I agree whole-heartedly with.
 
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While I agree that Van Rooyen really only had an impact after we had unbalanced the team with a mystifying substitution, I still cannot understand how we came to the conclusion that we needed another flanker over a key forward given we have plenty of flankers and our 2 main key forwards are fast heading towards retirement.

DS
 
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I wonder if Matt Clarke is van Ruing the call. :peepwall

Jason Taylor is a very good recruiter and sh*t human who was lucky he only had his head punched in rather than being drummed out of the game a decade ago.
 
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JVR is just a kid showing great signs - including great GK technique unlike our duds. You just named 5 tricks without including Lever or May plus plenty other handy players like Petty, Pickett and Warner. Bit more than one by any sane calculation

How many "tricks" do we have in that category IYO going as well currently?
Barrack for Melbourne then.
 
16 disposals 7 turnovers.
Right, did you not read my response? And if you're going to use stats, consider them all. His disposal efficiency was still near 70%, well above any other forward. He had only 7 turnovers in his previous 3 games to this. When has a synopsis of just 1 game represented a player's abilities? I've seen enough at VFL and AFL level to know he has excellent disposal skills, but it will take time to get used to the pace.
 
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Can't fault our effort.

Jack and Samson missed 2 easy shots, Dusty missed 3 Dusty types goals that he used to always kick. Miller and Bakes missed straightforward set shots too. Kick half of them and it's a different result.

Poor kicking is poor footy,
 
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Don’t think Van Rooyen is anything special. Kicked a few goals late on undersized defenders. Did nothing until then.

Melbourne is a one trick pony with Gawn, Oliver, Petracca & Viney. Heaven help them if Gawn gets injured again.
Van Rooyen, for a 4-game tall forward is tracking quite well. Is contributing directly almost 3 goals a game so far. I'm really worried in our tall stocks. Not enough on our list to replace the 4 or so that aren't far from retirement.
 
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