Game Day RD 17 - Tigers V Suns

[Tenacious Tiges]

I'm as filthy as everyone else is on last night's loss. Can only imagine how the players and coaches must be feeling.

Many of the posts on here have well summed up what happened; and our ongoing issues.

Without having a clue what's going on behind the scenes and who is working hard/who is not - it's pretty much the sum of many parts IMO.


1. Drafting: Two of our early picks have been *smile* - RCD and Dow are total busts. RCD is somewhat forgivable (every club has a bad drafting pick); Dow isnt easy to forgive since we had evidence with his brother Paddy. From the 2nd year, neither of them looked remotely capable. Every time I posted this, I'd get told I was being harsh on our young players. Neither have shown even 3-4 good parts of play in a VFL game worth persisting with. I know we've done ok with rookie picks, but this doesnt automatically mean the early pick *smile* ups are acceptable.

2. Development: IMO we either dont seem to be teaching the young players how to handle situations in game - or are teaching them not very well. Our development has always appeared worse to me than other clubs - even in our good years. To me, this area is the No 1 priority, followed by a review of our assistant coaches.

3. The MC selection 'head-shakes' continue. The selection of BOTH Castagna and Aarts in games is a complete *smile* up by the MC, even with lots of injuries. We had Clarke who can do as much as Castagna. I think they choose Aarts for work rate. Not sure. But JC and JA together is a disaster. Anyone remember the 2 point loss to GWS a few yrs ago where Castagna kicked 5 points. Is anyone teaching him how to kick. What about more *smile* goal practice for him? Are coaches even teaching goal practice, I remember Jack saying he spent extra time years ago with JC and Dan Butler on goal kickng. What the *smile* are the assistants doing?

When I think of our assistant coaches, I sometimes think about how Gil and the boys club at AFL used to say assistant coaches are overpaid. Who knows but gee the mistakes we make over and over again tell me we learn nothing.

4. Lynch. I love Tom. Deserves everything he gets paid, major contributor to 2 flags. Had many clubs wanting his signature, he chose us. Love him.
But *smile* me, is he personally doing everything possible on his recovery week in and week out? Is he doing extra sessions or anything to stregthen his hammies? It seems like every 3rd week, he has a hammy issue. Personally, I wonder if Tommy is doing anything extra.


Could go on. You have all posted similar. It's become not only embarassing how we lose these games OVER and OVER. But it gives every team hope even if they are down 7 goals against us moving forward.

Development - This stopped when they moved Fly away from VFL coach. We have been average since if I recall correctly. Morris is not a development coach imo, he was a bust a gut type of player, not a thinking player. We need some smarts developing and coaching our next ones.

Match Committee - Setting the wrong culture the last couple of years. Rewarding tried and tested spuds and not form in the less favoured or young ones. This is a team unity killer. Players end up playing for themselves and killing confidence in the young ones.

 

[Redford]

Forget 5th and 6th. We're fighting for 7th or 8th against 5 other teams. Not all are going to have a shocking last 6 games. We will need to win 4 or 5. We've only won 3 of the last 6, injuries mounting, let's just focus on North who nearly toppled Pies.

Amen.

 

[tigerlove]

Dont make the 8 lm happy jeez we pissed some games up this year...Titch retire and Martin move on ( big picture here) draft choices....
Can bounce quickly .

I'd say Cotchin and Reiwoldt also retire. Older guys like Nanks, Lynch, Prestia continue to get injured. Bolton and Baker still unsigned. Not much midfielder quality coming up it appears. How do we bounce quickly? I can't see it personally. You can't just replace the quality squad we built up just like that and recruiting of late doesn't look great. We always hope but reality is greater than hope.

 

[seven]

Mainly the older crowd. Expected.

Doesn’t seem to effect Geeelong and it’s bunch of old farts running around

 

[No 4]

when you are missing 6 top players, it does have an impact. Easy missed goals cost us dearly.

I'm inclined to drop Jason, he had three easy goals to kick but missed all of them. Not good enough.

We can't have MJ & Aarts in the same team, too small. Also, the last 3 weeks, MJ had a taller, bigger body player on him, why kick the ball in the air to him, so be away from him, let his pace run to it, rather than parked under the ball. Come on players be smart.

I'm keen to get Bauer in the side as a tall. Can't have two to three players on Jack.

we need assistance in the centre, Ross out of the side hurt us, he has played really well.

At all cost, we need Stacky in the side, he presents, has clean hands and provides opportunities for others.

Ryan must come in, with Gibus and Bauer in the forward line.

 

[Tenacious Tiges]

He missed it because he is one of the most unco footballers ever to grace an AFL field - and I said it a long, long time ago - let alone become a 3 x premiership player, mainly due to the good fortune to be selected by a club led by several champions who created a golden era that he was a useful part of, initially. But the skill weaknesses in kicking, composure, even his HBs are often shocking and he has a prodigious ability to stuff up dozens of goal-scoring opportunities like his famous 0.5 in the '19 GF win. (think how lucky it was that it never mattered).

What he did here was take too many steps, run too far- rather than kicking it earlier or HBing it to Cumberland - allowing a GC defender to get within range of a smother. His game awareness is just terrible and his goal-kicking has again gone backwards after some improvement over 2021. He seems quite confused about what to do with a goal shot - line up straight for a drop punt or hook-kick? From what position? Where to stand? How close to go to the man on the mark? How can such an experienced/credentialed player still be so unprofessional about his techniques and processes? Why start the kick with your back turned?

I have rarely seen a player who has the capacity to make the errors he does. It is actually comical ... if it didn't hurt the team so much, so often.

It defies logic that this bloke has played so many AFL games. It’s been evident for so long that he cannot kick or hand pass.
I’ve posted this before but quite a few years ago before or during our reign pre-Covid (cannot recall exactly now) but I got to the G early and he was out by himself doing goal kicking practice. He was taking set shots from the 50m arc. He started one side near the boundary and worked his way around the arc taking shots at about 15m intervals along the circumference. He kicked less than 25% of them.
From my ‘punter in the stand’ opinion his routine was total crap. He would walk in about 5 paces to his spot on the 50m line to kick it. 5 bloody pissy walk in steps, spinning the ball in his hands. No momentum when trying to kick 50m!! There were no other RFC members or coaches on the field with him. He has no idea and you have to ask where was his coaching if he is a forward. To kick it 50m you need momentum.
He tried to use this technique unsuccessfully for a couple of years and now tries this around the corner crap and he cannot even do that properly. Turns his back on the goals. I mean really, if he is this clueless where is his coaching??? Obviously way too late for him so how can a spot for him be justified.
I never want to see him play an AFL game for us again.

 

[tiger76]

Teams around us are getting better and the Tiges are on the decline. It’s part of life, and I can accept losing.

But last night was shocking, and something I didn’t think I’d experience again after some of the sh*t that we witnessed prior to 2017.

It was embarrassing, and it stings to experience.

Who cares about which coaches have gone, and what our game day tactics are, or where the soft cap is at.

We have players that can’t kick a fu*king football, in a game called football.

Let that sink in when you’re daring to pontificate about final ladder positions and what the team may or may not do.

 

[tigersnake]

Dusty, Cotch, Balta, Lambert, Vlastuin, Lynch all out

Prestia not 100% due to normal concussion hangover

Considering we have no depth, Ross late out was a little rabbit *smile* garnish on a big *smile* sandwich

Both rucks get injured during the game

Thats why we lost the game 6 of our best players out. And one of our current best depth players out of a side with no depth due to equalisation policies.

Amazing coaching and playing effort that we almost won it really.

 

[WildStyle]

Still smarting from this one. Such a demoralising loss.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Some other teams might be called 'brave' on the same circumstances.

True, but those other teams wouldn't be Richmond. We demand better.

None of this faffing around with just a couple of flesh wounds, come back n fight I'll bite your leg off .

 

[Ice]

In terms of the here and now and just simply making the 8, despite you saying otherwise, it was a good thing the Dogs lost. You keep going on about how high up we can finish in the 8.

Given our performances so far this year, how about we just make it first huh ?

ill put my response back on the original 'other games' thread

 

[caesar]

Bolton and Baker still unsigned.

Bolton is signed till the end of 2023.

 

[TigerMasochist]

anyway, back to this thread, i think the loss was caused by our bottom six were not good enough

you can argue about her our bottom 6 were:

take your pick form this lot:

rioli
miller
soldo
dow
cumberland
aarts
castagna
edwards

you can carry 2 or 3 of them, but this way too many

and then we had injuries to nank and lynch

Last time I looked that's a bottom eight not six.

 

[eez-up-tiger]

Our players must be the dumbest in the afl, they keep doing the same undisciplined acts every game .

 

[tigerlove]

Doesn’t seem to effect Geeelong and it’s bunch of old farts running around

Cats have had their fair number of issues around older players. Cats recruit better than us imo and have better players filling the void. Cats have won the close wons, we've lost them. There's your difference right there and more.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Our players must be the dumbest in the afl, they keep doing the same undisciplined acts every game .

Way past time the coach grew a pair n gave the perpetrators a week in the magoos for their efforts instead of just sniveling to the meedjia that we have to get better. There's rough n tough hard nosed footy n then there's petulant self centered stupidity. We've been the masters of petulant stupidity for two years now.

 

[tigerlove]

Bolton is signed till the end of 2023.

Ok I thought I read 2022 somewhere. 2023 it is.

 

[MD Jazz]

Forget 5th and 6th. We're fighting for 7th or 8th against 5 other teams. Not all are going to have a shocking last 6 games. We will need to win 4 or 5. We've only won 3 of the last 6, injuries mounting, let's just focus on North who nearly toppled Pies.

Na, we don't need 5 wins. 4 wins is 7th or 8th. 3 wins could be 8th on %.

Doing a ladder predictor I reckon 12 wins and % gets 8th spot. And Pies would have missed the 8 if they lost to Norf but could still miss.

 

[Ice]

Last time I looked that's a bottom eight not six.

exactly

 

[tigerlove]

Na, we don't need 5 wins. 4 wins is 7th or 8th. 3 wins could be 8th on %.

Doing a ladder predictor I reckon 12 wins and % gets 8th spot. And Pies would have missed the 8 if they lost to Norf but could still miss.

I did say 4 or 5 wins. I think there's very little chance of getting in with 3 wins. Maybe if the teams that should win, win. But that never happens. Next 3 games will tell us a lot but the Port game is shaping up to be a big one. We shall see.